Jerrod Murray Case Summary

In December 2012, Generro Sanchez was murdered by another student at East Central University, Jerrod Murray. Although Sanchez lived down the hall from Murray, they only knew one another through a mutual friend. Murray asked Sanchez for a ride to a nearby Wal-Mart. Upon their arrival, Murray pulled a gun out and demanded to be driven to a town North of Ada.

Generro Sanchez

To calm Sanchez’s nerves, Murray unloaded the clip and the bullet from the chamber and handed them to Sanchez, only to pull out another clip and lay it on his lap. After a 29-mile drive, they arrive on a small road in the country where Murray shot Sanchez in the head as he drove. The vehicle came to a stop in a ditch against a tree. After pulling his body from the vehicle, Murray heard agonal breathing from Sanchez. To ensure he was dead, he shot him in the head again. Murray then pushed his body down into the ditch and poorly covered his body with leaves, dirt, and a single stick.

Murray

In the interrogation Murray shows no remorse and gives no reason for the murder besides “it popped in my head”. He had been planning to murder someone for about three weeks and decided Generro Sanchez was going to be the victim a few days prior. Murray was later found not guilty by reason of insanity and has been held in a mental facility since. Murray has filed motions asking the Court to consider his release from the facility he is in to less restrictive care. The judge in the case ruled that Murray remains a threat to society and is dangerous, denying the motions.

Jerrod Murray Interrogation Transcript

In December 2012, Generro Sanchez was murdered by another student at East Central University, Jerrod Murray. Although Sanchez lived down the hall from Murray, they only knew one another through a mutual friend. Murray asked Sanchez for a ride to a nearby Wal-Mart. Upon their arrival, Murray pulled a gun out and demanded to be driven to a town North of Ada. On a small road in the country, Murray shot Sanchez in the head as he drove. In the interrogation Murray shows no remorse and was later found not guilty by reason of insanity. The case summary can be found here.

Jerrod Murray Interrogation Transcript

[Door opens]

Investigator: Ready? Okay Jerrod. Now, my name is Sherriff [inaudible] Palmer. And me and you met on the side of State Highway 177 and [inaudible] road at about 3:12 this morning, didn’t we?

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir.

Investigator: Okay. And at that time, you made a couple of statements to me when I put you down on the ground and then after we got up, I read your rights to you, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, you read my rights before I got up, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Before you got up off the ground.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But you did make a couple of statements…

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir, I made some statements, sir.

Investigator: Before I read you your rights without me asking you anything.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, you just, you told me you were the guy I was trying to find.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and then I read your rights to you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And those rights were – you have the right to remain silent…

Jerrod Murray: The Miranda Rights, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You have the right to talk to an attorney and have them present while being questioned.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And if you do not afford to hire one, one will be appointed to represent you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I asked you then if you wanted to talk to me.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you agreed to talk.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, at the time I said no but, didn’t I?

Investigator: No. I read your rights to you…

Jerrod Murray: But when you asked if I wished to talk to you about it…

Investigator: You said you didn’t know, and then…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s right.

Investigator: And then you said “yes, I already told you so…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: I might as well. Is that correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay. After that, during that drop do you remember what you told me after I read your Miranda warning to you?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, not word for word but the effect, yes.

Investigator: Okay. What do you remember telling me?

Jerrod Murray: uh, in summation that I’m guilty, yes.

Investigator: Of what?

Jerrod Murray: Of murder.

Investigator: And who did you murder?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Generro.

Investigator: Okay, and how did you murder him?

Jerrod Murray: With a gun. I shot him in the head, twice. Three shots were fired. One missed.

Investigator: And where did you shoot, where was this, where did this happen at?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, around five miles north of Asher, Oklahoma, on a side road.

Investigator: Do you know what that side road is called?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Do you know what’s on the corner of that side road?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, power, uh station, sir.

Investigator: Like a substation…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. [cross talk]

Investigator: Okay, and does that road go all the way through?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. It turns, uh, left.

Investigator: Okay and you have knowledge of this?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Are you from that area?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And your mom and dad’s house isn’t too far from there?

Jerrod Murray: Um, maybe a half a mile to three quarters of a mile, sir.

Investigator: Okay and can you get to your mom and dad’s house by going down that road?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, um, and you [inaudiable] shot this guy while he was driving his pickup down the road.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. And that’s basically what you told me on the side of the road.

Jerrod Murray: In summation, yes, sir.

Investigator: And in fact, we did find, we had already found the pickup and there was a body next to it in a ditch.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And that’s what we’re going to talk about now. Is that…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Are you okay with that?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So you’re agreeing to talk to me again?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Give me your full name.

Jerrod Murray: Jerrod Landreth Wayne Murray.

Investigator: And what’s your date of birth?

Jerrod Murray: July the twentieth, 1994.

Investigator: Okay, and do you live and dad?

Jerrod Murray: Hm?

Investigator: Do you stay with your mom and dad?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no.  I lived in the dormitories in college. Before then I lived with my grandparents in town.

Investigator: In town of Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay, um, what do you use for an address?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the, my parents house, yes.

Investigator: And what is that?

Jerrod Murray: Four hundred, four-zero-zero-five-five Ingram Drive. Ah, Asher, Oklahoma 78426.

Investigator: Ingram?

Jerrod Murray: Yes. I-N-G-R-A-M

Investigator: I-M-G

Jerrod Murray: I-N-G-R-A-M

Investigator: Okay, um, and so you go to school at East Central?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And is this your first year of college?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you’re a freshman at East Central.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you said you stay at some dorms?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what’s the name of your dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Pesagi Dormitory, sir.

Investigator: Can you spell that for me?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, P-E-S-A-G-I, I believe, sir.

Investigator: T-E-S-A-G-I?

Jerrod Murray: P-E-S…

Investigator: P-E-S…

Jerrod Murray: uh, A-G-I.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s in Ada.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And the young man, that you said to me you shot twice in the head…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And his name, do you know his whole name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I only know his first name.

Investigator: And his first name is what?

Jerrod Murray: Generro. I do not know how to spell that but it is with a “G”.

Investigator: Okay. And do you go to school with him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And do you stay in the same dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the same building, sir.

Investigator: Same building. And what’s your dorm number?

Jerrod Murray: 463D.

Investigator: 463B?

Jerrod Murray: D.

Investigator: D?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know his?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no. But I know it’s in “E” section.

Investigator: E section. And how do you know him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, towards the beginning of the year we met in a mutual friend’s room, uh, playing video games, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And do you take any classes with him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you know him through a mutual friend and you guys dormed in the same dorm.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Different sections.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir, but it’s literally right down the hall.

Investigator: Okay. So, you spend quite a bit of time together?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. Um, the pickup that was, he was in tonight and you was in. Was that his pickup or your pickup?

Jerrod Murray: I’m fairly sure it was his, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And you remember what kind of pickup that was?

Jerrod Murray: Um, black. [laughs] I’m sorry. I don’t…

Investigator: Okay, you don’t…

Jerrod Murray: I don’t know much about cars.

Investigator: Okay. But single cab…

Jerrod Murray: Single cab, black, uh, dent on the passenger side.

Investigator: Okay and can you go back and tell me how you guys hooked up tonight? Or [cross talk] this is actually, we’re talking right now at, we’re at almost 6 o’clock in the morning so can you go back and tell me when you guys would have gotten together?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe around [clears throat], maybe around 9 o’ clock yesterday evening.

Investigator: So, on the fifth.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, uh, maybe it was closer to ten.

Investigator: Okay. Nine to ten. And how did you guys hook up?

Jerrod Murray: I went down to his dorm room and asked if I could be given a ride to Wal-Mart in exchange for $20 gas money.

Investigator: Okay. Did he agree to that?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And did he, in fact, take you to Wal-Mart?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. We got in his pickup truck and he drove me to Wal-Mart.

Investigator: So, you’re talking about the Wal-Mart in Ada?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s a couple miles from the school?

Jerrod Murray: Uh. 2.2, ah, no, 1.7 miles, sir.

Investigator: 1.7 miles?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, so he took you to Wal-Mart…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Did you both go in?

Jerrod Murray: No, we did not go in, sir.

Investigator: And why not?

Jerrod Murray: We pulled into the parking lot and then I pulled the, um, weapon on him and demanded that he take me to Asher, Oklahoma, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And why, all of the sudden, did you decide that you needed to go to Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Because I was planning to take him out to the country and kill him.

Investigator: Okay. So, when you got him at the dorm, was your intention never to go to Wal-Mart?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You was, in fact, was you at that point, already in your mind, was going to take him and kill him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, had he done something to you that…

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So you just, can you kind of tell me, when you made this decision that you were going to take him and kill him? Why?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I made the decision three days prior to the incident. Uh, attempted to do it two days prior to the incident but he was not in his room and then did so today, as he was in his room.

Investigator: Okay, so, you been, you been, planning to do this for two days.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, two weeks, yes.

Investigator: Two weeks?

Jerrod Murray: But not with a selected individual, no.

Investigator: Okay. And when did you get to the point when you knew it was going to be him?

Jerrod Murray: That was three days prior to the incident.

Investigator: And why him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh.

Investigator: There’s other kids in college, why, why him?

Jerrod Murray: I believed he would have had the least impact, sir.

Investigator: Impact of, of what?

Jerrod Murray: I believed he didn’t have many friends or many close friends, I should rephrase. And as his [clears throat] he is going missing; his absence would be less notable.

Investigator: Okay. So, what if… tomorrow at school nobody would think anything of it.

Jerrod Murray: That was the plan, sir, yes.

Investigator: Okay, and so why did you choose to take him to Asher to kill him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, my plan was for my killing him I was going to head north towards Canada and Asher was further north than Ada. So…

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And I knew the surrounding terrain and I knew a good spot. I didn’t have that spot planned in particular. If I had planned that far ahead, I would have had a grave dug, but I knew the general area.

Investigator: Okay, so you brought him to that area because you knew that area because you were raised there.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And that’s the road you would travel going back and forth to your mom and dad’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I would travel the road further to the south of it. Just the road one south to it. That’s the road I would travel to my mother’s house from the school on my bus route, sir.

Investigator: Okay, but what I’m saying to you, you were familiar with that road…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And where it would go to…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, not much traffic on that road at this time…

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir. The only people that go on that road are people who live on that road, sir.

Investigator: Okay. You knew that.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, when you pulled the gun on him at Wal-Mart, in the parking lot…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, what did you tell him?

Jerrod Murray: I told him to take me to Asher.

Investigator: Asher. And did he say anything?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he panicked. Uh, he went to pull out his phone. I yanked the phone out of his hand and then he panicked some more. Kept telling me not to kill him. To make him feel more comfortable I unloaded the clip, unloaded the bullet from the chamber and then handed them over to him. And that eased his nerves a little. Then I pulled a second clip out of my pocket and set it on my lap.

Investigator: Okay. And you drove, so he drove you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you have any conversation between Ada and Asher?

Jerrod Murray: The entire time was conversation, sir.

Investigator: And was it basically, could you tell me what that conversation was?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, about from Ada to halfway to Asher it was my trying to reaffirm him that I wasn’t going to kill him to calm his nerves. And then from that point on we was us talking about our upbringings, our past, our family histories, things of [inaudible] nature, etcetera etcetera.

Investigator: And, so, did he say anything when you had him pull off of the main highway onto this dirt road?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. Ah, before this time I had pulled out his phone and uh, pulled up his GPS and showed him where I [inaudible] to make him feel more comfortable, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and so when you turned west off of 177, and there’s, we already talked about this, there’s a substation there…

Jerrod Murray: Um, we didn’t pull onto that road, sir. We pulled onto the road south of it, drove past Turkey Hill Road, turned left, went to around where the [inaudible] live to make another left. Past [inaudible] Estates, went straight and then went down that road from the other direction.

Investigator: So, you came in from the west side of where the pickup is at?

Jerrod Murray: West then east, yes.

Investigator: Okay, and, so you’re headed east on what is known as Substation Road which is the road where the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Is at now.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you’re headed east and he’s driving.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You’re on the passenger side. He’s got some bullets that you gave him.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, the clip and one round, yes.

Investigator: Okay. And where was that at?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, in his left hand, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Then you had the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And… What kind of gun?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Springfield Armory XD40 Smith and Wesson 40 Caliber.

Investigator: Okay. And you had the gun and another magazine, but you didn’t have the magazine in the gun.

Jerrod Murray: I did not have the magazine in the gun. Every five to ten minutes he had me, uh, put my finger in where the clip goes to uh, show that the round, it wasn’t chambered.

Investigator: Okay. So, you’re driving East, and I guess at some point, did you decide now was the time?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what happened?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I loaded the gun, quickly, chambered the round, quickly. Shot once, missed. Shot a second time, hit. Jumped out of the car. Went around, he was driving 10-15 miles an hour, so it was rather slow, uh, ran around the front of the car. And of course, it was slower, he wasn’t purposefully driving. Uh, tried to pull him out, couldn’t get him out till he had already hit the tree. Pulled him out there, dumped him into, no. Uh, before I dumped him into the ditch, I heard him like gurgling. I’m not sure if that’s a physiological or physical process after death but uh, I had thought that he may have still lived through that somehow because he was gurgling so I shot him again and then shoved him down to the ditch. I then grabbed his phone….

Investigator: Hang up, let’s back up just a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You, um, fired the first round…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you missed.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know where that round hit?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe it hit the top of the door, but it might have hit the window.

Investigator: Did the window bust?

Jerrod Murray: The window did bust, sir, but I don’t remember if that was the first or second round.

Investigator: Okay. So, you fired once, missed.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then you fired the second round…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you hit him then?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you hit him in the head.

Jerrod Murray: In the side of the head, yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so, it would have been his right…

Jerrod Murray: It would have been right here, sir.

Investigator: The right-hand side of his head…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Somewhere by the ear.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And he was, started veering off the road.

Jerrod Murray: To the left, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s when you got out and ran around…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you opened the door?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you tried to pull him out…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And, so when you shot, and he was still gurgling.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, was he sitting up when you shot him again?

Jerrod Murray: No. He was lying down on the ground.

Investigator: So you pulled him out of the truck…

Jerrod Murray: And just through him on the ground and then I heard him gurgling so I shot him a second time.

Investigator: And where did hit him the second time.

Jerrod Murray: I’m not certain but I believe the head as well.

Investigator: In the front, back, side?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe it was the same side as…

Investigator: Same side as before?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you think you hit him twice, or you know, you know you hit him in a fact once in the head. Then the second round is probably in the head area too.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then you rolled him down the ditch?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray:  I, uh, grabbed his phone from inside the vehicle. I was going to put it on the ground and shoot it as well, but I have a bit of night-blindness and didn’t see the steepness of the hill where it started to veer down. So, I threw it down and it slid down the hill, uh, it landed screen side down so I wasn’t able to find it’s location.

Investigator: Okay, so his phone is somewhere around his body?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, it should be. It might be underneath his body.

Investigator: Okay. And did you do something with his body after that?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes sir. I repositioned it and then I tried to cover it, uh, admittedly not well, with leaves, dirts and a stick.

Investigator: Okay, a stick?

Jerrod Murray: Yes. There was a stick on the side of the hill. I just grabbed everything on the side of the hill and uh, pushed it on top of him.

Investigator: Okay, now, when you say a stick, I, I was at the scene, I went down there and you know that…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: uh, actually brought you back down there and you sat in the car down there, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Mm-Hm.

Investigator: And there is a stick, about three-foot-long, about inch, inch and a half in diameter…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Found it by the body but there’s a whole bunch of blood on it. Is there any particular reason that stick…

Jerrod Murray: It had blood on it? Uh, it could be because I rolled his body on top of it. Because if it was on the side of the hill his body would have crossed over it. I couldn’t think of any reason in particular though.

Investigator: Okay. So, you didn’t hit him with the stick or do anything with him with the stick?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so that stick just ended up on top of him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, it’s possible he, you rolled him over on it, and then when you were covering him up that stick just ended up on top of him?

Jerrod Murray: It ended up on top of him because the way I covered him up.

Investigator: And so, after you got the body covered up, what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I, um, headed back to the truck and tried to get it unstuck.

Investigator: So, you put it in reverse then tried to, uh…

Jerrod Murray: And then tried and tried to but it wasn’t going. So, uh, after that I…

Investigator: When you say it wasn’t going it was because it was stuck?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe one of the wheels was off the ground and it wasn’t making traction.

Investigator: Okay, so you couldn’t get the truck out so what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I uh, looked to the left and from the headlights I saw that I could see his orange shirt, so I covered him up better. And uh, as I was finishing that I saw the headlights of a car pulling over the hill, so I went out…

Investigator: Which way was it coming from?

Jerrod Murray: It was heading East, uh, West from the East side, so the highway. And uh, he was slowing down already so I came out as quickly as I could from behind the truck and flagged him down by waving my hands and uh, he asked what was going on. I told him that I had drowsed, dozed off, and veered off the road and couldn’t get my truck unstuck. And then he was uh, I think he, I don’t think he knew exactly what happened, but I think he knew I did something. Maybe stealing, I don’t know. Because like you said, no one travels down that road.

Investigator: Um, did you know him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir, I did not know him. But since he travels down that road he most likely lived in that area. He knew that I didn’t.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: So, most likely he, uh, was suspicious based on that fact alone because I had no business being on that road. But, uh, he agreed to give me a ride to Asher non the less. Uh, more specifically he didn’t agree to that until his phone didn’t work. We pulled up to about the highway then he dialed a number for me. Uh, I gave him a fake number so that it wouldn’t answer and if it did answer I could just make something up. Whatever number didn’t answer, it was a number that was out of service. Uh, he agreed to give me a ride to Asher so I could get my cellular phone. I don’t own a cellular phone. To uh, call someone that I knew to come get me out.

Investigator: Okay. Where did he take to in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, my grandparent’s house.

Investigator: Okay. And what is your grandparent’s name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Ethel, ah, I don’t know if it’s [inaudible] or Rodrick now.

Investigator: Okay. And [inaudible] and what? And what, do you know their address in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: 306 East Salter Street.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s where he took you to.

Jerrod Murray:  Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and you got out.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I went into the house; I had a Coca Cola. I called a roommate from college that I had an accident and wondered if he could, uh, either get me out of the ditch or knew anyone that could get me out of the ditch.

Investigator: What’s your roommate’s name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Shane Schroth.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Then, uh…

Investigator: Does he have a cell phone?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know his number?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, not off the top of my head, sir. But if I had a phone, I could tell you. It’s like, uh, one…

Investigator: Hang on.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I can tell you it now. 1-405-694-0359.

Investigator: 6-9-4..

Jerrod Murray: 0-3-5-9.

Investigator: And what’s his name again?

Jerrod Murray: Shane Schroth.

Investigator: Okay, and he goes to school there?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, and he also graduated from Asher.

[inaudible cross talk]

Jerrod Murray: The class.

Investigator: What’s the year, we talked before and you didn’t actually graduate from Asher.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But you would have graduated with him.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what’s his last name?

Jerrod Murray: Schroth. S-C-H-R-O-T-H.

Investigator: Okay, and he knew you from Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And we were roommates in college because we were fairly good friends.

Investigator: So, you guys lived in the same dorm, the same room?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And, so you told him you were stuck.

Jerrod Murray: Yes. I told him I ran my car off a ditch and asked if he knew anyone that could get me out.

Investigator: Do you own a car?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Did he not know this?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he didn’t ask, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what did he tell you?

Jerrod Murray: He, uh, he said he’d try to call his mother to see if his father could do it for me. And uh, they were asleep so there was no answer. So uh, at that point I decided I should go off on my own. I got that can of WD-40 and was going…

Investigator: Wait, wait, wait. Where did you get this can of WD-40?

Jerrod Murray: I, uh, stole it from his parents.

Investigator: Okay, lets back up just a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Because you said you were at your grandparents.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. How did you get to his parent’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he lives on the other side of Asher. I walked.

Investigator: Okay, when you say the other side of Asher, help me out. East of Asher, West Asher, North?

Jerrod Murray: South Asher.

Investigator: South of the [inaudible] shops?

Jerrod Murray: No, it’s in the town just on the South side.

Investigator: Okay, you don’t know their address?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you walked after, I’m just trying to make, understand this, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you call him from your grandparent’s house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then he tries to call his parents?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And no answer.

Jerrod Murray: No answer, sir.

Investigator: So, you walk from your grandparent’s house….

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you walk to his mom and dad’s house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And about how far is that from your grandparent’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Not far at all. It’s, ah, maybe eight to nine blocks. I don’t know mileage for that.

Investigator: And you walk to their house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Did you knock on the door?

Jerrod Murray: I just got the can of WD-40 and…

Investigator: And where was that at?

Jerrod Murray: Outside, sir.

Investigator: On the porch or…

Jerrod Murray: They live in a trailer house, sir. It was to the right of their entry way.

Investigator: Just sitting on the ground or…

Jerrod Murray: Sitting on top of a milk crate.

Investigator: Okay, but it was in the yard.

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Not a vehicle or nothing.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And why did you get the WD-40?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, WD-40 is a solvent. It would help degrade the, uh, oils from my fingers and uh, get rid of my fingerprints, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So, you were going to get the can of WD-40 and go back to the crime scene and use WD-40 on the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: To try to get rid of your fingerprints?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you do that?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. When I was on my way back, as opposed to going directly back to it I cut through a forest area there by an abandoned trailer house. And uh, as I was entering uh, the uh, general area about the crime scene I heard uh, I believe it was an elderly gentleman cough.  I’m not sure who, I’m not sure what. I just left because well, around that area the man who gave me a ride into town was an elderly gentleman. I concluded that he might have went back and the headlights and brake lights were still on. I thought he might have went back to turn them off, uh, so my battery wouldn’t die. And then he saw the, uh, at least the blood. Probably the body, it wasn’t well hidden at all.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: That’s the conclusion I reached anyways.

Investigator: Uh, so you was in the woods?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you don’t really know who it was?

Jerrod Murray: I just heard an elderly gentleman cough.

Investigator: Did you see the pickup?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you didn’t, so you couldn’t see the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: And, so you were on the south side of the road in the woods?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, but you never could see the pickup again or know who was there?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I headed back East instead of South; took a different route to get out of the wooded area. Uh, ran into a barbed wire fence, jumped the barbed wire fence, headed South along another barbed wire fence I found next to the highway. Well, you couldn’t see the highway, but you could easily hear it and I could see the substation from there pretty clearly. I, uh, headed South along that, came across another barbed wire fence, jumped it, then headed to where I started out at, at that abandoned trailer house there, then walked away and headed North.

Investigator: The abandoned trailer house, is it South of the substation?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, it’s South of the substation.

Investigator:  By how far?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe a hundred yards.

Investigator: And you know what side of the road it’s on?

Jerrod Murray: Um. West side.

Investigator:  West side.

Jerrod Murray: It’s up the ways a little. It’s in a, you know how trailer houses out in the country will have driveways leading to them. So, um, I’m not sure if you can see it from the highway or not.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And the driveway is run down. I happened to know no one lives there so I figured that was a perfect vantage point to get to the crime scene again.

Investigator: Okay. So, did you get back on the highway?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And which way did you go?

Jerrod Murray: North, sir.

Investigator: What were your intentions?

Jerrod Murray: Ah.

Investigator: Walking North.

Jerrod Murray: Canada, sir.

Investigator: You were just going to Canada.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: I hoped that uh, by determining I was heading South you, went to Asher, you already know my Grandparent’s house and I was hoping that my name would probably show up somewhere over the course of this little thing, I wasn’t expecting it to be found so quickly…

Investigator: Why didn’t you expect it to be found so quickly?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I didn’t think someone would drive down that road. In my original plan, I gave myself maybe six to eight hours to get out of the area. But since it was found so quickly, at least I believed so at the time, I didn’t want to revise the plan because I had headed South originally going into town.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And uh, I hoped you guys would think that I was headed towards Mexico as it’s much closer and probably easier to get past the border.

Investigator: Okay, and so you was walking North on 177.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And what side of the road were you on?

Jerrod Murray: I was on the left right of the road, sir.

Investigator: Okay so if you’re going…

Jerrod Murray: East side.

Investigator: East side and you were walking.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what happened then?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I had tried hitch hiking part of, most of the way because the only way this was going to work factoring in, uh, my belief that you all found the crime scene is if someone were to give me a ride there with them. Uh, however, that didn’t happen. Most people were truckers, so they didn’t, they just kept driving, they had a place to go. And then whenever your patrol car pulled up behind me, I didn’t know it was a patrol car and I stuck my thumb out and you was there for the rest.

Investigator: And that’s when I, that’s when me and you first came in contact, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you were advised then to get on the ground, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  Okay, and that’s when I had you put your hands behind your back…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then when I approached you, I asked you for my safety and for your safety if you had a gun.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you said “no”.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you remember what else you said?

Jerrod Murray: Ah. I might have mentioned the ammunition in my left pocket, sir.

Investigator: That’s right, and what else?

Jerrod Murray: Ah…. “I am the one you’re looking for”.

Investigator: And at that point I told you to be quiet…

Jerrod Murray: Uh….

Investigator: Until I got you and read your rights to you.

Jerrod Murray: Oh ah…

Investigator: Is that correct?

Jerrod Murray: I’m not sure but if you’re saying its correct…

Investigator: Well, no, do you remember that conversation when you said…?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: I said, “hang on just a second”.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, yes, sir. You did say that, yes, sir.

Investigator: So I could read your rights to you and I read your rights to you at that point.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I wasn’t aware you were telling me to be quiet, I thought you was just saying “I need to read your rights”.

Investigator: But I told you, you do remember me saying “be quiet for a second”.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, “hold on a second”.

Investigator: Hold on a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, something to that affect.

Investigator: Okay, uh [inaudible] where, uh we talked about this when you told me the gun, you left the gun in the pickup.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and when we talked and I told you that, you know, you already told us about the homicide, and you told us about shooting him. The gun’s not in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was in the truck, sir.

Investigator: And, so, I need to know where that gun at.

Jerrod Murray: When I left the scene, it was still in the truck, sir.

Investigator: Was still in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was still in the truck, sir.

Investigator: Where was it at in the truck?

Jerrod Murray: It was, uh, I believe it was on the center console but it’s possible that it could have been between the driver seat and the center console.

Investigator: Okay, because the center console is pushed up, not down.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I don’t remember that.

Investigator: Well, you’re saying it’s on the center console. To be on the center console, the center console would have to be in the down position, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: The center console is up. So, was it up or down when you was there?

Jerrod Murray:  I think it was down, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So, but your intentions, can I ask you why you’d leave the gun there if you just killed somebody and you just wanted to get to Canada.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, because the man pulled up too quickly, sir.

Investigator: Okay and was that you’re gun?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, no, sir.

Investigator: And where did you get that gun from?

Jerrod Murray: I stole it two weeks ago from a man named Daniel Davis. Uh, 217 North Division Street.

Investigator: And where is Division Street?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, it’s the uh, if you’re going down 018 and…

Investigator: What, what town is it in?

Jerrod Murray: Asher [inaudible].

Investigator: And his name is David Davis?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And how did you steal it from his house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I went into his house, uh, his family and my family are on good terms. I just walked in the door and went back to his mother’s room and told her that I had a video game to return to Daniel. Then I went into Daniel’s room, put a video game that I brought with me as a way to get into the door and got the gun.

Investigator: Okay, and so you, was it in a box or was…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. It was in a uh, case.

Investigator:  And where’s the case at?

Jerrod Murray: Still at his house, sir.

Investigator: So, you took the gun out of the case…

Jerrod Murray: I took the gun and two clips, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: I took all the clips.

Investigator: So, where’s those at? so there’s just two?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And where’s, is there ammunition in them?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. There were twelve rounds in each clip, uh, since I fired three rounds from that one clip that means there’s nine rounds in it- should be. And the uh, other clip had eleven rounds in it because one was chambered and the other round was, I unchambered it and handed it to him.

Investigator: Okay, and now when I brought you in here, we was uncuffing you, we was checking the pockets of your jackets, make sure you didn’t have any weapons in your pockets, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And I pull this can of WD-40 out of your um, right coat pocket…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then in your left coat pocket there was a purple crown royal bag…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I took that out of your pocket.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And can you tell me what’s in here?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, some Smith and Wesson 40 Caliber rounds, sir.

Investigator: And was them part of the rounds you stole with the gun?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no sir. I bought those two or three days later off of friend of mine, sir.

Investigator: So, that many rounds?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, that plus what was in the clip, sir. So, there was twelve and twelve twenty-four plus four that’s in there.

Investigator: Okay but you said there was already, the magazines already had bullets in them.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I loaded them with the ammunition I bought, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so when you stole the gun and the magazines there was no bullets with it?

Jerrod Murray: No bullets were in it, sir.

Investigator: Okay so you, what was in the two magazines…

Jerrod Murray: Nothing, sir. Oh, as for the ammunition, yes sir.

Investigator: And what’s in here, you bought off of a friend.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And do you know his name?

Jerrod Murray: Ah… Not off the top of my head, sir.

Investigator: Does he go to college?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I call him a friend but he’s just a guy.

Investigator: Okay, and where is he from?

Jerrod Murray: Ada, sir.

Investigator: And do you know how to get ahold of him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. It’s a guy I know through a guy minus, I got the word out that I was looking for some ammunition and then…

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: A “friend of mine” sold it to me, so…

Investigator: Do you know how many rounds are in here?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I believe there was anywhere between three and six though.

Investigator: So [inaudible] if I pull them out and there will be three to six rounds of 40 caliber rounds in there, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Your intentions with the gun, when you got out into Asher after you shot this young man, that the gun was still in the truck…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: With the magazine.

Jerrod Murray: One magazine as he was holding one of, the other magazine. I believe it fell out of the truck when I was pushing him out. He, I didn’t see it on the floorboard before I left because I was trying to gather it all up. But uh, I think he might still have it in his left hand. [cross talk] At the crime scene.

Investigator: There should have been the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: The magazine that was in the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: The one round that you handed him…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And then the full magazine.

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: So, we’re talking about a total of how many rounds? You said both of them had twelve in it.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, we should have, you fired three rounds, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, there should be twenty-one rounds and two magazines there and a gun.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Yes, sir. Plus, well, there, yes, sir. Twenty-one rounds, two magazines, and a gun.

Investigator: Okay. Also, in your pocket there was a debit card, master card, has the name Jerrod Murray. And that’s you, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: This is yours?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Jerrod, I’m going to ask you to sit here for just a second and I’ll be right back, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

[Investigator exits the room]

[Investigator returns]

Investigator: Okay Jerrod. I have a couple other things [inaudible], alright?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I believe you’re being honest with me, I really do. You told me stuff that, that, that I had no qualms about what you’re telling me except for a couple things, I know for a fact you didn’t get the WD-40 from the front yard.

Jerrod Murray: You’re right. I [inaudible] keeping him out of this but I did go into his house, he did give it to me, and, and, yeah.

Investigator: And when you say him, who?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the parent of the friend that I called.

Investigator: Shane’s?

Jerrod Murray: Shane’s father, stepfather, yes.

Investigator: And do you know his name?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, Michael Norris.

Investigator: Okay, and what did you tell Michael?

Jerrod Murray: I told him about what had happened and asked for his opinion on the next course of action.

Investigator: When you said what happened, what do you mean?

Jerrod Murray: The murder. I told him about that.

Investigator: You told, you told Shane’s father about the murder you just did?

Jerrod Murray: Not the specifics but the general picture, yes.

Investigator: Do you remember what you told him?

Jerrod Murray: Not exactly. But I mean, I didn’t tell him “I fired three shots, missed one shot, in the head.” Not all that. I just said I got a truck, I killed a guy for it, it’s in a ditch.

Investigator: Okay. Did you tell him how you did it?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I don’t remember but I might’ve.

Investigator: Okay, and this is really important, and I want you to really think about this because you said you were trying to keep him out of trouble…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I did know more than you think I know.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, I’m still at the gun.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: It’s not in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was when I left the scene. That was the whole point of him taking me back, sir. To get it.

Investigator: Okay, so he took you back to the scene?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no.

Investigator: Because you said you walked.

Jerrod Murray: No, ah, he drove me to the abandoned house that I spoke of.

Investigator: Okay, so Mr. Norris gave you the can of WD-40…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And I believe he probably got that from the bathroom of his house.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I’m not aware of where he got it but if that’s where he says then yeah.

Investigator: Okay, and, so he drove you from Asher back to

Jerrod Murray: The area of the scene.

Investigator: Just South where you would turn on Substation Road and that’s where the abandoned trailer house is on the West side.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you got out of the car and walked out through the abandoned trailer house, through the woods…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And that’s when you heard somebody cough?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Ah, there is a note wrote on a piece of paper, like a business card, on the passenger side window. Stuck on the pickup. The window’s up, and there’s a note stuck in there. Says “come to the house at the end of the road.” Did you write that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Huh?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: You didn’t write that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: You have any idea how that note could have got there?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I don’t think anything like that was there whenever I left.

Investigator: Okay. So, is it a possibility that the gentleman…?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. On our way back to Asher he had told me some thieves had stolen about a thousand dollars’ worth of guns of his and that he was looking for them and that if he found them, he would kill them dead on the side of the road. Then I said that a thousand dollars is a fair amount of money and then he said it didn’t matter if it was fifty, he doesn’t like thieves.

Investigator: Okay, um, so is it possible that he, that on his way home he could have stopped and wrote that note?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s a possibility, I won’t deny that. Like I said, I thought it might have been him who called the police. Ah, I still don’t know if it was or not, but I thought it might have been him. He went to go turn my lights off then saw the blood and then called but uh, if he did write that note then I don’t think he would have called police.

Investigator: Okay, uh, I just want to go over a couple points with you then we’re going to take another break, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, and you started this out that, um, you’ve actually had this on your mind for about three weeks.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you just didn’t know who.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Or when. Or where. Well, I had a general idea of the area but that was picked out about a week ago, sir.

Investigator: And was that picked out because of where you were aware of your surroundings?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And so, lets go back to our victim, the young man that you killed.

Jerrod Murray: Generro.

Investigator: Um, you, basically you picked him out because you thought that you, nobody would miss him, if I understood what you…

Jerrod Murray: In general, yes, sir.

Investigator: And you told me on the way you guys talked from Ada to Asher about your upbringings…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Was your upbringing any different than his?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: What was the difference between your upbringing and his?

Jerrod Murray: Nothing major, I mean, we didn’t talk on the topic of upbringings for very long. He just said that he was, uh, always fat and overweight and was made fun of for it so he had confidence issues and then I said that I never, well, I had that problem but that problem stopped in about the fifth grade, so.

Investigator: And why did that stop?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the bullies that picked on me, I beat them up.

Investigator: Okay, and that was in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay, so the bullies, you beat them up, not because you just wanted to beat them up but because they were making fun of you?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, to stop them from making fun of me, yes.

Investigator: Okay, I can understand that. Um, let me, have you done any other thing that’s been violent?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, sir. The mutual friend that I talked about that I know him through, his name is Wyatt Freeman. He lives across the hall from me. I don’t know his room number. It’s directly across the hall though. Uh, maybe a month, a month and a half ago at college… we hung out almost every night, played video games, it was all fun and games, you know. Uh, I was talking to him and then the talk of [inaudible] was brought up and then he said if I got you in a choke hold you would tap out. I said I’m not going to tap out and then he got me in a choke hold and I was knocked unconscious and when I woke up everyone in the room was laughing at me and then he said that there was no way I was knocked unconscious in that short of a time and then I punched him in the face and then he pushed me away and told me to get out of his room and I spat in his face and left his room. And then he came to my room, and had a flashlight I had dropped out of my pocket and was holding it and said “this is your flash light”. I went to reach for it, he pulled me into the hallway, and was going to beat me for it. Then, I told him let them beat me and whenever they come to break it up, I would be the one with all the injuries and it would be his fault.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And then the uh, East Central University police responded to that.

Investigator: Okay, and his first name is what?

Jerrod Murray: Wyatt.

Investigator: Wyatt.

Jerrod Murray: I’m not quite sure how to spell that. Freedman is his last.

Investigator: Okay, um, Jerrod, I want to ask you again just point blank because you sat here and confessed to…

Jerrod Murray: Pretty much everything.

Investigator: In my mind, I think you might agree with me, just cold blooded killed him that night, or last night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever killed anybody else?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever thought of it?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, more myself than anyone else, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and when was the last time you thought about killing yourself?

Jerrod Murray: Three weeks ago, sir.

Investigator: And what was going on three weeks ago?

Jerrod Murray: Nothing in particular. Um, my grandfather died recently but that’s not related to it. Before his death I had similar thoughts as recently.

Investigator: Your grandfather, is that the same grandfather that you caught a ride to back to his house tonight or a different one?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. My grandparent’s house. He lived there with my grandmother. Yes.

Investigator: Okay, so your grandfather’s dead so your grandmother lives by herself?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, she had a friend over but yeah.

Investigator: Okay. Uh, okay. Let me ask you this, Jerrod. Are you taking any medications for any mental illness?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Do you take drugs?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever taken drugs?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I smoked marijuana in my mid to early teenage years.

Investigator: When was the last time you smoked marijuana?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe six years ago, maybe five.

Investigator: Never done any other type of drug?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Um, not on any medicatoin.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. Just an albuteral inhalor for asthma.

Investigator:  You do have asthma.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, so, um, when you, lets go back three weeks ago when you started planning that you were going to kill somebody.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you just didn’t know who or when.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: What made last night the time and who. I kind of understand who.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, as I stated earlier, uh, it wasn’t neccissarily last night. I made the decision to do it and who three days ago and I tried. No, maybe two…. Tuesday. I made the decision, Tuesday. This whole saying days ago because it’s a different day than it was yesterday, uh, it was Tuesday that I made the decision  it should be him. He wasn’t in his dorm, I didn’t try again, no. Maybe I did try again the day after. I can’t remember the days anymore. It was Tuesday I made up my mind, though. I knew who it was and tried that night.

Investigator: Okay, and I guess I’m having a hard time understanding what you got out of it. Can you kind of, can you help me?

Jerrod Murray: I don’t really get anything out of it.

Investigator: But I mean why, if you weren’t going to get something, self graditude, something, why did you do it, I guess is what I’m asking.

Jerrod Murray: If I’m pressed to answer I’ll say it’s to prove the strength of my resolve but that is only if I’m pressed to answer.

Investigator: I’m not pressing you. I’m just trying to understand.

Jerrod Murray: Then I don’t know why.

Investigator: Okay, so it just…

Jerrod Murray: Popped in my head.

Investigator: Popped in your head and you…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay but it ever popped in your head before?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, not an appeal, sir.

Investigator: That you, that you, you never killed before?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, animals?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I’ve never hunted. I know how to hunt. I know how to make a bow and arrow. I know how to field dress animals and but not but I’ve never hunted before, no.

Investigator: Okay, now when we were talking before you indicated to me you did not graduate from Asher.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I flunked out.

Investigator: Okay, so when you say “flunked out” was that because you just couldn’t do it or you just…

Jerrod Murray: I didn’t want to do homework. The teachers at the school as well as all facitly amitted I was the smartest person there. They knew I could do the work. I didn’t see the point of doing it if they already know and everyone knows I could do it.

Investigator: That was my next question because it don’t make sense sombody who flunked out of school would be at East Central.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, that summer, I’ve been going to [inaudible] Upward Bound for math and science, uh, since maybe three years ago. Uh,

Investigator: And was you doing Upward Bound at East Central?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s uh…

Investigator: Do they have it in…

Jerrod Murray: They have both Upward Bound math and science, obviously.

Investigator: [cross talk]  also do the same thing but I don’t think you can get math and science at [inaudible] state [inaudible].

Jerrod Murray: Yeah. It’s upper math, yeah.

Investigator: Okay. So you’ve been going East Central Upward Bound?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. For three years, yes, sir. And um…

Investigator: What kind of grades are you making in college right now?

Jerrod Murray: I believe I’ve failed everything besides choices and wellness, sir.

Investigator: Is, are you failing everything by choice?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And why is that?

Jerrod Murray: Mm, laziness I would suppose, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Didn’t feel like going to classes. I mean, if I was already up in the Central area to eat a meal I would go to classes because it’s not that I have a problem going to classes. It’s to the dorms to the central area; I was too lazy to travel that distance.

Investigator: Not because you couldn’t do the work.

Jerrod Murray: Not because I couldn’t do the work. I was passing most my classes before then.

Investigator: And what were your ambitions or dreams to be?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I had hoped to become a chemist for the Department of Defense.

Investigator: Okay. Kind of hard to do in Canada.

Jerrod Murray: [laughs]

Investigator: Wouldn’t you agree?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And, I’m going to ask you this and you can answer if you want. I’m just, I’m having a hard time.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you feel any remorse?

Jerrod Murray: I’m sad that I got caught so quickly but that’s almost lessened by being caught by someone with “sheriff” on their jacket but for killing him? No.

Investigator: Okay, so it makes you feel better that it was somebody that had “sheriff” on their jacket who arrested you?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: As opposed to what?

Jerrod Murray: A deputy or someone like that, sir.

Investigator: Okay, well, I’m not the sheriff.

Jerrod Murray: I’m aware of that.

Investigator: I’m the under sheriff.

Jerrod Murray: The person driving me up here told me that but still, that’s…

Investigator: So it makes you feel better that you got caught by somebody up in rank opposed to somebody under…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But my question again is, do you have any remorse?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Alright. Give me a minute, okay?

[Investigator exits room]

[background conversation in another room]

[Investigator returns]

Investigator: {inaudible] okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. Ah, my left thumb has been numb since we got to the crime scene.

Investigator: Do what?

Jerrod Murray: My left thumb has been numb since we got to the crime scene.

Investigator: How come?

Jerrod Murray: I don’t know. I figured when the cuffs came off feelings would return to it but in this area it’s still numb.

Investigator: Ah, you probably just need to work it.

Jerrod Murray: Well, I have been.

Investigator: Rub it. You ever been cuffed before?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So aint never been in any trouble?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So if I run a record on you I’m not going to find anything on you?

Jerrod Murray: You might find that assault from a couple months ago but that would be it.

Investigator: That’s when you and that other guy got into it?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: About the choke hold.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, I take it since you go to college you have a computer, correct?

Jerrod Murray: I have a laptop, sir.

Investigator: And it’s probably at your dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, and I know we’ve talked about this, kind of in general, you didn’t know who it was going to be?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Or when it was going to be but you kind of knew where.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then you tried this Tuesday night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And he wasn’t there, he was home. This is now Friday morning so this was Thursday night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And when I talked to you, something about “was there going to be others”…

Jerrod Murray: I…

Investigator: And you made the statement earlier that you was happy that you got caught by somebody in the rank and stature of the Sheriff’s office.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you understand I’m going to do my job thorough.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I understand that completely.

Investigator: And that means I’m going to end up getting a search warrant of your computer.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I understand that.

Investigator: So, if there is, I want this, searching your computer are we’re going to find any ideals of wanting to do a mass shooting in a school?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Or you was going to kill anybody else?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, why do you want me to believe that this was going to be a one time thing since you planned this for three weeks, and by Tuesday night you knew who and when but it failed?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Tell me why I should believe you this was just going to be one person who was going to suffer from your consequences of killing?

Jerrod Murray: You have no reason to believe me, sir.

Investigator: Oh, I believe but so, but you’re trying to tell me you were just going to do it one time and that was going to be the end of it?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So I’m not going to find anything on your computer that’s going to be or when I go to college when myself and this team from the DA’s office goes to the campus and we go and talk to everybody that you’re associated with at the dorms, uh, nobody’s going to tell us “well he’s talked about a school shooting or killing people”?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: I’m not going to find that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: That said, I have been asked by people, including at Asher, if I was a murderer or if I planned on it but I’ve never planned on it since three weeks ago and I’ve never killed anyone so the answer has always been “no”. I’m not sure if it was jokingly or seriously, that said.

Investigator: Okay. I guess I’m just having a real hard time understanding why. Why him?

Jerrod Murray: Well, if it was a random person there could be the possiblity he had children or something of that nature. Uh, if it was someone else up there they’d have a lot more friends or a lot more social, so…

Investigator: So… [inaudible] by his quota status of not having very many friends or being social, it was a good victim.

Jerrod Murray: His presence would be less noticed, yes.

Investigator: Okay.

[Investigator stands to exit]

Jerrod Murray: That said, he did have a girlfriend and some friends.

Investigator: Yeah. You don’t think his girlfriend would have missed him?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I wasn’t aware of his girlfriend up until tonight, sir.

Investigator: Oh. So he told you before you killed him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no. The entire way down there uh, I had the phone at Wal-Mart, so the entire way down there she was texting him so I was texting what he told me to text back.

[Investigator sits back down]

Investigator: So this was a conversation between his girlfriend and actually you, but you was texting what he…

Jerrod Murray: Word for word, yes.

Investigator: Okay. You don’t think she’s going to be upset, heartbroken?

Jerrod Murray: I think she will be.

Investigator: How does that make you feel?

Jerrod Murray: No different, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

[Investigator exits room]

[Investigator enters room]

Investigator: Do one more thing for me.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Just the history deal with you, fill that form out for me.

Jerrod Murray: Uh…

Investigator: Just your name, address, city, phone number, stuff like that.

Jerrod Murray: Alright.

Investigator: Just [inaudible]

[Investigator exits room]

[Investigator enters room]

Investigator: Common’ big guy.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I’ve got some questions about this paperwork.

Investigator: About what?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I didn’t know what to put under investigator, date, armed, hair color or the bottom line.

Investigator: Okay, that’s no big deal. I’ll fill that in.

Jerrod Murray: Well, I didn’t even know if that was hair color, I thought it might be hair length, both. I don’t know.

Investigator: Okay, that’s good. I just needed general information on name and all that anyway.

[investigator and Jerrod exit room after Jerrod pushes chair back under table]

Investigator: Common, through here.

Lee Rodarte Case Summary

On August 2, 2017, Savvanah Gold was last seen on security cameras leaving her car and entering the car of her manager, Lee Rodarte, at the restaurant she worked at, Bone Fish. They had an on-again off-again relationship; though Rodarte primarily dated someone else.

Savvanah Gold

Within minutes of entering Rodarte’s car, Savvanah’s mother and brother received text messages from her phone, written in a way that Savvanah would not write, with various spelling errors. The text message to her mother read:

“Hey I just eanted to tell you and mom I met a really great guy and we are running away together I love him and we are leaving to ight ill call you later when we get tk where we are glong”

The text message to her brother read:

“Heyi quit im leavingwith my boyfriend I cant do this shit anything im fine justwant to get away”

This immediately alarmed her family who later filed a missing person’s report. Soon, the police reviewed security footage showing Lee Rodarte’s vehicle doors being kicked open three times after he gets into the back of his vehicle with her. She is never seen leaving his vehicle.

Lee Rodarte2

In a police interrogation, he says he went to Bone Fish knowing her shift was about to start to tell her to stop spreading rumors about their intimate relationship because it was upsetting his girlfriend. The situation escalated and he slashed her tire and murdered her. Examiners were not able to determine her cause of death but did say her hyaline cartilage was fractured and that her death was certainly a homicide. Lee Rodarte claims as the struggle ensued in the back of his vehicle, he felt something “pop” in her neck.

Lee Rodarte has filed a “Stand Your Ground” claim with the First District Court of Appeal, resulting in his trial being delayed.

Lee Rodarte Interrogation Transcript

Lee Rodarte was a manager at the Bone Fish restaurant who killed a server there named Savvanah Gold, in his car in the restaurant’s parking lot. She was 21 years old. Within minutes after the murder he texted her mother and brother text messages filled with misspellings, claiming she was leaving with a boyfriend.  He first denied any knowledge when questioned by police but three days after her disappearance he admitted to slashing her tire, killing her and directed investigators to her body in a body of water. He claims the murder was accidental. The incident was recorded on security cameras but investigators could not see what happened inside of the vehicle. Below is the interrogation video and transcript. The confession was edited out when it was published but everything leading up to, and following the confession remains. When it is the edited parts are released, the transcript will be updated. A case summary can be viewed here.

Lee Rodarte Interrogation Transcript

[conversation between investigator and officer about uncuffing Rodarte]

Officer 1:  Put your hands on your head, I’ve got to pat you down.

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Officer 1:  Spread your legs for me. Do you have anything in your pockets?

Lee Rodarte: Nothing. They got it all.

Officer 2: I’ve got his hat and um [inaudible] in my trunk. I’ll go get them.

Officer 1: Okay. I just want to… Just our policy, you know what I mean?

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir. Yes sir.

Officer 1: Could you do me a favor? I’m going to have you take that apron off.

Lee Rodarte: Okay.

Officer 1: [inaudible] You can go ahead and have a seat right there for me. I’ll be right back, okay?

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Officer 1: Need a water or anything?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, I’ll take some water.

Officer 1: Water? Yup, give me one second.

[Investigator leaves and returns with a bottle of water]

Lee Rodarte: [inaudible] Would it be, uh, possible if I could use the restroom?

Officer 1: Yeah, give me one second. Let me get my partner real quick and we’ll walk you there.

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir, no problem.

Officer 1: No problem.

[Officer 1 closes and opens the door]

Officer 1: You can come on.

[Rodarte leaves and returns from bathroom]

Officer 1: I’ll be right outside just knock if you need anything, okay? Just give me a couple minutes.

[90 minutes of silence]

Detective 1:  Hey man

Lee Rodarte: How are you doin?

Detective 1: Good good. Do you remember me from the other day? Detective Reeves?

Lee Rodarte: Yes, sir.

Detective 1: Uh, this is my partner, Detective [inaudibale]. She was interviewing some of the other folks, waiters and other staff people the other day, so she didn’t have the chance to come down at the time. Um. I want to talk to you, well actually, we wanted to… do you want some more water?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah. Actually, would it be alright to use the bathroom one more time?

Detective 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ll walk you out there. Grab, ah, hang on one second, let me grab something.

Lee Rodarte: No problem.

Detective 1: No worries.

[Detective 1 and Rodarte leave to bathroom]

[Detective 1 and Rodarte returns 7 minutes later]

Detective 1: You want some water?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, yes please if that would be alright.

Detective 1: Got a water?

[Detective 1 exits and returns]

Detective 1: Um, like I said, I kind of want to go over some stuff. We talked the other day for just a few minutes, and I had some concerns about a couple things and um, oh okay, um I wanted to talk to you about Savvanah. So, I just have a couple of things that came up that I wanted to ask you about specifically that didn’t seem to line up. So, I wanted to come down to talk to you. Alright?

Lee Rodarte: Alright.

Detective 1: So, lets get a couple, let’s make sure I got your basic information. It’s Lee. Tell me how you pronounce your last name.

Lee Rodarte: Rodarte.

Detective 1: Rodarte. And that’s R-O-D-A-R-T-E and it’s 1081 Halifax Road, Jacksonville. What’s the zip?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, 32216.

Detective 1: 32216. Okay. Date of birth is 8/11/88?

Lee Rodarte: Yup.

Detective 1: And you’re 5’11”?

Lee Rodarte: Yup.

Detective 1: And what’s your approximate weight?

Lee Rodarte: Um… It’s been a while since I weighed myself but probably about 163, something like that.

Detective 1: 163? Okay, what color eyes do you have?

Lee Rodarte: Brown.

Detective 1: Brown? Hair is…

Lee Rodarte: Brown.

Detective 1: Brown. And what’s your phone number?

Lee Rodarte:  904-452-6094.

Detective 1: Okay. And your social, do you know your social?

Lee Rodarte: Pretty sure I do.

[edited out]

Detective 1: And white male. And how old are you?

Lee Rodarte: Um. I’m 28.

Detective 1: 28? And can you read and write?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: What’s the last school you went to?

Lee Rodarte: Forest Highschool. Before it was [inaudible]

Detective 1: When did you graduate from there?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, ‘06.

Detective 1: Okay. 2006. Alright, and you can read and write. Have you had um, have you drank any alcohol today? Any drugs today?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I took an Adderall that my buddy gave me.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Because I was there late last night, and I was super tired like [inaudible] take this.

Detective 1: Alright, Adderall?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: And do you normally take that?

Lee Rodarte: Nah, I was, I’ve taken one long time ago. I wouldn’t say high school. A little after high school but it’s been years.

Detective 1: Okay, uh, but nothing to drink, alcohol wise?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay and how, about what time do you think you took the Adderall?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, It was probably twelve-ish.

Detective 1: Like noon?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay. And do you understand what I’m saying though? You able to communicate okay enough? It didn’t, you know, make you not be able to…

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay. And no alcohol. And you said you can read and write?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: Alright. Perfect, awesome. Okay, I want to ask you some questions, but I want to go over your rights. We are currently at 501 East [street] Street, which is the police memorial building. Today is August the 5th, 2017 and it’s approximately 7:15. Make sure about that. Yep. 7:15 p.m. give or take. Um, can you, will you read that? Just that top line for me?

Lee Rodarte: You have the following rights under the United States Constitution.

Detective 1: Perfect. I will read these with you, and you can kind of just follow. Um, you do not have to make a statement or say anything. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before you make a statement or before any questions are ask of you and to have the lawyer with you during any questioning. If you can not afford to higher a lawyer, one will be appointed to you before any questioning if you wish. If you do answer questions, you also have the right to stop answering those questions at any time and consult with your attorney or with a lawyer. Do you understand those rights?

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Detective 1: Okay awesome. If you just sign there that you understand that. That isn’t admitting or not saying anything, it’s just saying that you understand your rights.

Lee Rodarte: Okay.

Detective 1: Perfect. I appreciate it that. Alright so, um, Savvanah. You said you knew her, and guys had… Uh, you knew her from work. I mean, just fill me in. How long have you known her…?

Lee Rodarte: Like I said, I have known her obviously since she start, since she started working there. Um, I would say probably about eight months ago or so we started hanging out outside of work. Um, and at the time I had a girlfriend. Um, but we kind of, you know, we kind of connected, me and Savvanah. So, we hung out a little bit here and there. Um, got pretty close. Uh, we come from I guess somewhat similar, uh, backgrounds I guess you should say.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, she didn’t have it the best growing up, neither did I. So, we kind of connected. Hung out for a while. Probably would say a period of two, three months. Um, and then she started using drugs a lot. Now, I used them with her, not the same drugs that she used all the time, um but I did them with her a couple times. And then she started to get heavy into them.

Detective 1: Oh, gotcha.

Lee Rodarte: So, um. I kind of just, uh, try to take a step back and, you know, put things off. Um, and after that, um, me and my ex started kind of chit chatting again [cross talk]

Detective 1: Okay, and who’s that? What’s her name?

Lee Rodarte: Her name’s Chelsea.

Detective 1: Okay, alright.

Lee Rodarte: Um, so, we kind of started chit chatting again, never really hundred percent because obviously she was still kind of upset about me hanging out with Savvanah and stuff like that. Um, and then probably a month or so ago, um, I saw Savvanah again at work and she looked healthy again. You know, she gained a little bit of weight and uh, just, you know, friendly talk at work. You know, telling her, you know, hope everything has been good and she told me, you know, that I guess she did a lot of drugs and ended up in the hospital. She ended up missing like, I want to say, a couple days, three or four days of work.

Detective 1: Oh okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, so obviously, you know, me being pretty close to her I was concerned and everything. But after she came back, she looked good. She ended up telling me that, I guess, uh, you know, over those four days she detoxed pretty well. She kind of caught a… new sense into why she should do so much drugs …

Detective 1: Good for her.

Lee Rodarte: so much. And like I said, she looked good. She started looking healthy so, uh, we were kind of talking here and there and we hung out a couple times. Um, she came over to the house and we just kind of kicked back, drank a couple beers, watched movies, stuff like that. Um, and then as we hung out, you know, after a couple times, she brought drugs over. Um, and I told her, you’re doing really good. You can’t, you know, you shouldn’t be doing it again. You’re finally gaining weight. Because when we were together the first time, she was you know, she got really petite and just didn’t look well. Which is kind of why I took a step back plus, uh, my father used a lot of drugs growing up, my mother used a lot of drugs growing up. And it was just kind of a hard thing to see, you know, every time that we hung out.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Like I said, we did, uh like we took some pain pills here and there, on occasion, but then she started like bringing heroin over and stuff like that. That’s, uh. My mom was addicted to methamphetamines when she was, when I was younger. So those hard, like hard drugs does kind of scare me a little but so that’s why I stepped back the first time. Then I felt like she was better as we hung out recently and then she brought drugs over to my house the last time we hung out and uh, we would text here and there. I would ask her how she was doing, you know, hope her day was going good just… because I told her the last time we hung out I was like, you know, you’re doing really well, stop doing this, you know, you can do it.

Detective 1: Yeah, yeah. No doubt.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and I heard that she kept, was doing the same thing.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, so, we texted a couple times and I end up telling her “hey, you know, for one I’m dealing with a lot of personal stuff myself right now as it is. I’m a little depressed. Um, but I think we’re moving too fast. I think we should stop talking”. Um, and she said “I understand, it’s completely fine. No problem”, you know. She said “I’ll delete your number. I’ll never text you again”.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And I said “same”. And I was like “I’m sorry. Like, I didn’t mean to, you know, try to jump back into things, I just, I think we moved too fast”. Um, and I said I wouldn’t text her either. Just to be, you know, kind of split.

Detective 1: Mutual, yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and that was the last time that we text.

Detective 2: When was that?

Lee Rodarte: Um, it was probably a couple, two or three weeks ago.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Sometime in July.

Detective 1: Right right. Yeah, I think that was one of the things you said was that was the last time that you had contact with her as far as, and I don’t want to put words in your mouth so you correct me if I’m wrong”

Lee Rodarte: That’s the last time that I text her.

Detective 1: Text or phone call or messenger or any like that is two to three weeks?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay. And um, the last time… When was the last time you saw her?

Lee Rodarte: This is what I was [inaudible]. I didn’t tell you the truth when we talked [inaudible]. The last time I saw her was Wednesday afternoon.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um. I heard that she has been, basically telling a lot people at work that, um, we hooked up a bunch a couple days before that and that she was going to like, tell about the whole situation and try to get me fired.

Detective 1: Why, why would that get you fired?

Lee Rodarte: Well, I’m a manager and she’s an employee.

Detective 1: Okay, so you guys aren’t supposed to fraternize?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay, I gotcha.

Lee Rodarte: And she just told people she was out with at work at the restaurant that we were having sex and hooking up and stuff like that. That I was her boyfriend and this and that. Um, so I was a little upset. Obviously, you know, I care about my job. Um…

Detective 1: Sure, how long have you been working there again?

Lee Rodarte: Um, it’ll be five years in December.

Detective 1: Okay, yeah. Right.

Lee Rodarte: So I was a little upset. Um, so. I met her in the parking lot at BoneFish.

Detective 1: When was this?

Lee Rodarte: Wednesday afternoon.

Detective 1: Okay. Do you know what time or about?

Lee Rodarte: Um, it was about 5:30.

Detective 1: Okay.

Detective 2: When you say you met her, was she meeting you too or…

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t call her…

Detective 2: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I just drove up there to see if maybe she was working. I was going to, you know, talk to her and um…

Detective 1: Did you know if she was working that night?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I did.

Detective 1: You did not.

Lee Rodarte: I did.

Detective 1: Oh, you did.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Oh, I’m sorry. So, you knew she was working that night.

Lee Rodarte: So, I drove up there and was hoping I would get the chance to talk to her.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, I pulled in the parking lot. She pulled in a little bit after me. I parked. And I said “Hey, can I talk to you for a second?” um, and she said “yeah, what’s up?” and I was like “I heard you’ve been saying some things about me and you continuing to hang out and we’re boyfriend and girlfriend and she asked me, she said “Can I come sit in the car because I just did some heroin and I’m a little paranoid”.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I said, “why are you doing that?” You know, you’ve been doing really well, you shouldn’t be doing that.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um and, she came and got in the car and I explained to her the situation that, I told her that servers and Bone Fish were coming to me and telling me that you’re telling people when you’re out that we’re having sex and we’re boyfriend and girlfriend and I said “I would appreciate, you know, I need you to stop. Because for one this is jeopardizing my job. We agreed to, you know, split. Stop talking mutually and just move on and you know, be cordial or whatever” but um, it was nothing more than that.  And she said “I’m going to do what I want, uh, you can believe what you want, I didn’t tell anybody anything” and I told her, I said “the girl that you were out with told Chelsea that we were still having sex and that you were just at my house like yesterday, hanging out” and..

Detective 1:  That she was out with when?

Lee Rodarte: That Savvanah was out with a couple nights prior.

Detective 1:  Okay. Gotcha.

Lee Rodarte: I guess at one of the bars [cross talk]

Detective 1:  And who’s that?

Lee Rodarte: The girl that she…

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: The girl that she was with? He name was Rachel.

Detective 1:  Rachel. Okay. Rachel told Chelsea that…

Lee Rodarte: Savvanah was saying that uh… cause me and Chelsea talk, we are very, you know, friendly at work, you know. We joke back and forth “haha” and uh, um, and Savvanah said “Yeah, I did say that”, you know, uh “I don’t really like Chelsea”, you know. And I said “look, you need to stop because for one, like I said, we agreed to go our separate ways, and this is jeopardizing my job and it is making me really upset having to come into work. You know? Or talk to Chelsea and she just constantly, you know, badgering me about stuff that you’re saying that isn’t true.

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Um. And I told her that she needs to stop. Um. At that point…

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I said “Stop, I’m serious. I don’t want to talk to you, it’s not good for us, so let’s stop” and she just said, “why did you do that?” I said “well, I’m upset” and she said, “fuck you”, you know “you’re a piece of shit”. She said she was going to keep talking, telling lies and stuff about me and everything like that, and I said…

[edited]

Lee Rodarte: and at that point, uh, she had a phone in her hand, she got out of the car and walked towards the main entrance of San Jose.

Detective 1:  So, like if, um.

Lee Rodarte: So, like if this is…

Detective 1:  I know Bone Fish is over here, this is San Jose, this is the bank over here in this area. Where were you guys parked?

Lee Rodarte: She was parked here.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, to the left of the five-star ATM.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I was parked here.

Detective 1:  Okay, alright, so you’re like here?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, um, I was, I was probably three spaces away.

Detective 1:  Okay, from her car?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um so.

Detective 1:  And what do you drive?

Lee Rodarte: I drive a Chevy Malibu.

Detective 1:  Okay. What color is it?

Lee Rodarte: Silver.

Detective 1: Silver Chevy Malibu.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Does it have Colorado tags, Florida tags, Georgia tags?

Lee Rodarte: Florida tags.

Detective 1:  Okay. And um, did you, when you got there did you pull into the parking place or did you park sideways, did you…

Lee Rodarte: I backed in, I backed in.

Detective 1:  Okay, you backed in.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  You backed into this parking space over by the bank area um, by the five-star ATM.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: And you’re driving a Silver Chevy Malibu with a Florida tag. Okay. And she pulls in over on this side of you?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay, so like, if you’re in your car and you’re sitting here, she would be on your left, the driver side.

Lee Rodarte: So, if I’m sitting facing forward, yeah, she would be on the driver’s side.

Detective 1:  Does she back in, does she pull in?

Lee Rodarte: She pulled in.

Detective 1:  Okay. Alright. So, when she gets out she’s close enough to you and that’s when you motioned her over or called her over or said “hey can I talk to you”…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, I said “hey can I talk to you”.

Detective 2: Were you by yourself?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 2: Okay. Nobody in the car with you?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Nobody in the car with her?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Okay, alright. What was she wearing?

Lee Rodarte: Um, her uniform.

Detective 1:  Her uniform. Okay. Alright. And then she comes over, she says “can I get in the car?” If I say anything wrong, correct me. Okay? I’m going to repeat back but if I don’t get something right, I need you to make sure I’m saying the right thing. Okay. Um, you say “hey, can I talk to you” and she walks over, approaches on the driver’s side. You in the car or out of the car?

Lee Rodarte: In the car.

Detective 1: Okay. You’re sitting in the driver’s seat?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay. Um, and she, she asked if she can get in because she just did heroin and she, how does she do it? Does she shoot up, smoke it, snort?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, she snorts it.

Detective 1:  Okay. And then…

Lee Rodarte: She’s told me she shot up before, but…

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Never in front of me.

Detective 1:  Okay, and then she comes and gets in the car with you?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Is your car a two door or four door?

Lee Rodarte: Four door.

Detective 1: Four door. Does she get in the front seat, back seat?

Lee Rodarte: She gets in the back and I ask why she got in the back.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and she was like “I just don’t want anybody to see me”, you know.

Detective 2: And when did you get in, too?

Lee Rodarte: Um, she said “you can come back here, and we can talk”

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: So, I got out and got in the back seat.

Detective 1:  Okay so you guys are both in the back seat now?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay, gotcha. Alright, alright. I wasn’t sure. Um, and then how the conversation went basically you’re telling her to leave you alone. Stop harassing you or why are you telling people we’re having sex and you guys; um you don’t want to jeopardize your job.

Lee Rodarte: I just told her, you know, especially since she was high I was like “we just don’t need to have anything to do with each other” and uh, she said “fuck you, I’m going to keep doing this” and whatever. So…

Detective 1:  Alright.

Lee Rodarte: So, I got out and…

[edited]

Detective 1: And then you got back in and then what did you say to her?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I said “you know, could you leave me alone? Like, I’m serious, I don’t want to talk to you.” And she said, “fuck you, why’d you do that?” And I said, she continued to say that she was going to do whatever she wants and say what she wants no matter what and I knew in my mind it was because she was high.

Detective 1:  Yeah, so what did you say to all that? [cross talk] Obviously you got to get pissed.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, I got aggravated.

Detective 1: I would too.

Lee Rodarte: I got frustrated and I said [edited] and then…

Detective 1:  Now you [edited]

Lee Rodarte: No you go ahead.

Detective 1:  Um, we were told that had happened before to her car. Have you heard that?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t hear that her car was vandalized before.

Detective 1:  You have?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Okay, so you didn’t know about that.

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Okay. Same deal, okay. Alright. Okay, what were you saying something about, the um, you were, did you get back in the car?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  And did you get in the front seat or back seat?

Lee Rodarte: I got in the front seat.

Detective 1:  Okay. That time you got in the front seat. Where is she?

Lee Rodarte: She was in the back seat still and at that point I said, you know, “now leave me alone”. She responded [edited] and she said, “fuck you” you know, “I’ll do what I want” and she got out, and it looked like she was either texting or calling somebody.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, because as she started walking towards the, there’s an entrance to the, um, to the plaza…

Detective 1:  Okay, closer towards the 295.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I wouldn’t say she was walking along the edge of the plaza, but she was walking maybe towards this way and I would say an older model Ford pickup…

Detective 1:  Mm-hm

Lee Rodarte: Green.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Uh, drove past me and around, and she got in.

Detective 1:  Okay. So, um, she, had she, when you guys are talking in the car back and forth, she’s not, is she calling somebody while you guys are talking back and forth on the phone?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t see, she didn’t call anybody, no. She had her phone in her hand.

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: But um, but I don’t think she texts anybody.

Detective 1:  So, she gets out of the car with you and starts walking this direction.

Lee Rodarte: I was in the car.

Detective 1:  You were in the car, but she got out.

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1:  Now you’re in the front seat. So, she gets out of the back seat and starts walking towards, or in the direction of, not necessarily paralleling San Jose, but she’s walking towards 295 or down towards that entrance area, um, and then she has her phone and you thought she was calling somebody.

Lee Rodarte: Um, she was, she had it in her hand and it looked like, I mean, I couldn’t tell if she was texting or not or anything…

Detective 1:  But she had her phone out.

Lee Rodarte: She had her phone out and she was looking at it. And then, uh, it looked like she was going to put it up to her ear and then the green truck came around …

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And

Detective 1:  So how long do you think, um, it was between the time she got out and started using her phone and that green truck pulled up?

Lee Rodarte: Um, maybe five minutes.

Detective 1:  Okay, so wow. So, if she called somebody, they got there in five minutes to pick her up.

Lee Rodarte: I mean, like I said it looked like she, she was going to call somebody and that’s when the green truck came around and she got in.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. She gets in the truck. What happened at that point?

Lee Rodarte: Um, they drove back around, kind of looped around a little bit

Detective 1:  Which way did they drive?

Lee Rodarte: So, she was say, here. The green truck comes here, and then kind of like, loops around, and it looked like, I guess they exited that way and at that point I left.

Detective 2: They exited going which way down [inaudible]?

Lee Rodarte: Um, toward [inaudible]. I guess to leave the, uh…

Detective 1:  So, they come out of the back side of this bank, like this way…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Towards Clair and San Jose.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  And then you pull out. Which way do you go?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I go around and then go out…

Detective 1:  The same way.

Lee Rodarte: The same way, yeah.

Detective 1:  And where do you go from there?

Lee Rodarte: From there, I go home.

Detective 1:  Go straight home.

Detective 2: Tell me your route that you went.

Lee Rodarte: Uh, 295 all the way to Peach Blvd, Peach Blvd to Grove Park.

Detective 1:  How long does that usually take you? Depending on traffic obviously.

Lee Rodarte: Mmm… [inaudible] I think it usually takes me about 25 minutes or so.

Detective 1:  Okay. What happened to your neck?

Lee Rodarte: That was self-inflicted, actually.

Detective 1:  Why?

Lee Rodarte: I just been having a hard time, uh, I couldn’t…

Detective 2: To your neck?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah and [displays arm]

Detective 2: What did you use?

Lee Rodarte: A knife.

Detective 2: When did you do that?

Lee Rodarte: Um.. sometime in July.

Detective 2: You did that in July and it’s still…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 2:  Bloody-ish.

Lee Rodarte: Well, it’s, I kind of peel the scab here and there at work. [inaudible] stuff like that. I peeled it last night working.  Um, this was coming off a bit today, so I peeled that a little bit.

Detective 1:  Okay, let me see.

Lee Rodarte: But this and this was the same night. This one was just a lot worse…

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Than this one was.

Detective 1:  Okay, and this was in July?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Like a few weeks back?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. So, who, could you see who the person in the truck was?

Lee Rodarte: Um, the truck had fairly tinted windows. I saw a baseball cap.

Detective 1:  Yeah. Okay. Guy, girl, white, black?

Lee Rodarte:  I couldn’t really tell, if it was a guy or a girl. Um, I just remember seeing the truck drive and her get in.

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: I’m sitting in the front and the truck drives right past me and I saw a baseball cap through the passenger window. Um, but…

Detective 1:  So, it seemed like she knew the person?

Lee Rodarte: I mean, she got right in.

Detective 1:  Had you ever, um, seen that truck before?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Never.

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Have you seen it since then?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Did she say…

Detective 2: Why… Go ahead.

Detective 1: Did she say anything to you when she got out of the car other than fuck you?

Lee Rodarte: She was just like “fuck you. I’m going to do what I want.”

Detective 1:  She doesn’t say anything other than that? Okay.

Detective 2: Why didn’t you mention this before since we’ve been looking for this girl? I mean, don’t you think this information [cross talk]

Lee Rodarte: I mean it definitely, it definitely does. And I regret not saying anything before. Um, I mean, I talked to Chelsea and she said, “you need to tell them everything you know”.

Detective 1:  When did you talk to Chelsea? You talked to Chelsea about this?

Lee Rodarte: Yes. Um, the day that it happened. Because, I mean, her whole issue was me hanging out with Savvanah prior.

Detective 1:  Sure, and if Savvanah is out of the picture then you guys can be free to have your relationship, be back together.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Yeah, I mean. Savvanah is in the way, in essence. She kind of creeped in, she sounds like an ass to you. If she’s out there telling people you guys are having sex, or if you are, um then she’s the one pushing your buttons, she’s pushing Chelsea…

Lee Rodarte: I mean I told Chelsea I was going to tell her to leave me alone.

Detective 1:  You were going to tell Savvanah?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  When did you tell Chelsea that?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I believe it was Tuesday night, maybe.

Detective 1:  Tuesday. Okay. Um, and you, how do you guys talk? Facebook? Text?

Lee Rodarte: Text message.

Detective 1:  Okay. And do you have a Facebook?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  You don’t have one at all?

Lee Rodarte: Um… I had one. I deactivated it, maybe a month or two ago.

Detective 1:  It’s still there, just don’t use it or…

Lee Rodarte: I deactivated it the account.

Detective 1:  Okay, so you don’t even have one that’s out there then.

Lee Rodarte: No. Um, I did have one when Savvanah and I first started talking. That was kind of how we talked.

Detective 1: A way for you guys to talk without Chelsea knowing what was going on. I’m not telling Chelsea I’m just…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  So, when I come up and talk to you yesterday, I’m not threatening, I’m talking to everybody up there, what?

Lee Rodarte: I freaked out, to be honest with you.

Detective 1:  That this girl is missing?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1:  Okay, but you know she’s been missing. I mean, you knew from, from essence from day one, that she’s been missing. And you um, you freaked out [cross talk]

Lee Rodarte: Obviously you know, you know I was the last one to see her, so I was a little bit scared about that. Um, and…

Detective 1:  How do you know, you just said you weren’t the last one to see her, you just said somebody in a truck…

Lee Rodarte: Well, I mean, the last one to see her at Bone Fish. Last one she’s heard from, had contact that anybody knows of.

Detective 1:  Sure.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and I know, thought that I had a warrant out already.

Detective 1:  Okay. What’s the warrant for?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, I didn’t go to a court date for a ticket.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. But I talked to you last night and I didn’t have handcuffs, I wasn’t threatening in any way…

Lee Rodarte: Definitely not but I mean…

Detective 1:  And I left so what were you, what were you, if you were worried you were going to get arrested then it would have happened.

Lee Rodarte: Well, that’s another reason that uh, my, Chelsea called me, and I said “you know, I told them I didn’t know anything, what do I do now, you know, I already…”

Detective 1:  When did you tell Chelsea that? When did you talk to her?

Lee Rodarte: Um, about

Detective 1:  It had to be after last night so was it today?

Lee Rodarte: No. I didn’t talk to her today.

Detective 1:  Okay, so how was I up there talking to you at about 11 o’clock but you talked to her after?

Lee Rodarte: I’m sorry, it was earlier in the day. I, cause, obviously I told her what happened, the day that it happened. Um, and told her that I was going to tell Savvanah to leave me alone.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: The day before. And after I told her about what happened about me, you know, getting in the car with some guy. Um, she, we talked a little bit just about, you know, how it’s kind of crazy, you know what I’m saying. And I said, “you know, she hasn’t hung out with the best of people in her past.”

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, she asked if I knew who it was. Said “no”. Um, just told her it was a green truck. Um, and then everything happened, and her mom and police came up there and everything like that, so we talked Thursday night. And she said, “you need to tell somebody”.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And I was like, how, I don’t know what to do, I’m scared. You know, I don’t want to get in trouble for, you know, anything or have anything, you know, be a suspect or anything like that. Which, I mean, was obviously not the right decision to make.

Detective 1:  Yeah, yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Because now…

[cross talk]

Detective 2: We could have been three days ahead with this.

Lee Rodarte: Obviously. Obviously now it looks, um…

Detective 1:  So, um, so you’re saying that there’s a green, what kind of truck was it?

Lee Rodarte: It looked like a Ford. Mid-90’s.

Detective 1:  Mm-hm. Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: It was a two door. Maybe the one with the little third door that you open from the side.

Detective 1: Okay. Um, well, the good thing about that is, um, we should be able to verify all of that, all of this kind of thing, so that won’t be a problem at all. Um, yeah, I’m just, I don’t know. So you said you told her that you had talked to us, but I don’t think, chronologically I don’t think that matches up.

Lee Rodarte: We, we talked Thursday and…

Detective 1:  Not last night [inaudible]

Lee Rodarte: No. We talked Thursday after like, her mom and everything was on the news.

Detective 1: Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: And she called me and was like “hey everything is all over the news. Uh, you need to, you need to tell somebody you know. She said “Call the hotline” or something like that.

Detective 2: Did you call the hotline?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I told her I did just because in my head I wasn’t, I was scared to call that night.

Detective 2: So, but did you ever call the hotline?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: So, this, you haven’t told anyone about this yet, other than Chelsea.

Lee Rodarte: Chelsea is the only person that knows.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. You …

Lee Rodarte: Just because I felt like I could, you know, [cross talk]

Detective 1:  So how did that conversation go with you and Chelsea, um?

Lee Rodarte: She kept asking me what happened, you know, what happened. And I would tell her and she said it’s crazy. Um, and then she told me that, you know, I need to call somebody and let them know that I was talking to her Wednesday, um, before the news said she went missing.

Detective 1: Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: And I said I would.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And I didn’t.

Detective 1:  How did, how did the conversation end with you guys?

Lee Rodarte: She was, she told me, she basically said she’s not going to, she doesn’t want to associate with me because I talked to Savvanah on Wednesday. [cross talk]

Detective 1:  You already told her you were going to do that.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay, so, here…

Lee Rodarte: See, the thing with, me and Chelsea would argue all the time about me not telling Savvanah…

Detective 1: To cut it off or whatever.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah. Yeah.

Detective 1:  But you go up, and you meet, Chelsea knows you’re going to go meet Savvanah Wednesday afternoon.

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1:  She knows that. Afterwards, do you guys talk about how that conversation went?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: Okay, so you guys, so she knows how the conversation ended.

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: And you told her that night, Wednesday night, about the truck and about the [edited]. Was there ever, you just called her and told her?

Lee Rodarte: No, we spoke first via text.

Detective 1: Okay, um. So, you text her from your phone [edited] so that’s on your phone?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: Okay, so that text message is on your phone?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Why not?

Lee Rodarte: [Edited] You know, they said Savvanah was missing, ‘cause I freaked out. I was like, holy crap.

Detective 1: Yeah. That sounds like, sounds crazy.

Lee Rodarte: Which is, which is… I mean obviously me sending a picture of one of the things they pointed out on the news kind of, scared me.

Detective 1: Sure, absolutely. Um, so how, how, did you all get together or talk anymore Wednesday night? How, did she do a follow up with you? How did the conversation go? How did the rest of Wednesday go?

Lee Rodarte: Um, we, she called me on my way home. Um, and you know, asked where I was. I told her, I was like “pulling into my neighborhood”. Um, and then we just talked about the situation. She asked what I said to Savvanah. What Savvanah said to me and you know [edited] Because she was texting me while Savvanah and I were talking and I didn’t reply because we were talking and, you know, we were going back and forth so I didn’t text her back. So I told her I’m not ignoring you, we were talking [edited] So she called me and asked me what I was doing, I said I was in my neighborhood, about to go home. Uh, went home. Uh, we texted a little bit more here and there. She asked me what I was doing, told her I was eating. I sent her a picture after I got out of the shower because she was like “oh you haven’t gotten any pics” this and that so um as I was getting out of the shower I got the text message and texted her a picture of me getting out of the shower and uh she said she didn’t believe I was home or something like that.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: So I sent her a picture. And other than I hung out at the house.

Detective 1: Okay.

Detective 2: By yourself?

Lee Rodarte: No. I have a roommate.

Detective 2: Okay, what’s his name?

Lee Rodarte: Aaron. A-A-R-O-N. Bieger. B-I-E-G-E-R.

Detective 2: B-I-E-G-E-R.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, he’s um,

Detective 1: P or B?

Lee Rodarte: B.

Detective 1: B. Okay, he’s what? I’m sorry.

Lee Rodarte: He’s who I moved in with.

Detective 1: Okay. So, Wednesday night over at your house it’s you and Aaron.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay. Okay.

Detective 2: Is Aaron there when you get home?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: What time did he get home?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, 11ish.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: A little bit after.

Detective 2: So before that you just hung out at the house by yourself and ate?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I ate some dinner, took a shower, Chelsea actually came over Wednesday night, if I’m not mistaken.

Detective 1: Okay.

Detective 2: And what did you all do?

Lee Rodarte: Just hung out, watch movies, drunk a couple beers.

Detective 1: Okay. Um. So where, where, when she’s in the car what is she, what does she say to you about what her plans are? So, she’s scheduled to work that night. So, she’s going to work?

Lee Rodarte: We didn’t talk about, uh, I assumed she was going to work. Um, she was in her uniform.  But she didn’t say, when she got out of the car she doesn’t say anything after she gets out of the car.

Detective 1: And she gets in that truck she, lets be honest, we wont even call her she, Savvanah, okay. Um, Savvanah, again with this picture if we are using it in the same place, from where you’re drawing was, they drove over here. You’re here, and you, they drive out over here. Do they stop? Does she stop and get out and go to work? Does the truck keep going?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t see once they turned the corner past the ATM. Once she got in and they left, I left. Cause I just…

Detective 1: Did you run into them on the road anywhere?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay. Did she call you later on or text you later on?

Lee Rodarte: Savvanah? No.

Detective 1: No other contact with her?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: So, where’s Savvanah right now?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: Where would I find her?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: That’s my prime objective is to find her.

Lee Rodarte: Definitely.

Detective 1: I think time’s running out on her and I think that….

Lee Rodarte: I mean, I’ve, I should have said something to you guys when I talked to you guys.

Detective 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah.

Lee Rodarte: I should have said something Wednesday or when Thursday when it was brought to everyone’s attention.

Detective 1: So, tell me how I go from nice guy, never met you, you seem like a nice guy, I come up and talk to you, again, you know, you agreed there was nothing threatening or anything about our conversation. Just asking you for some simple basic things. Where we just talked for a few minutes. And you, um, didn’t tell me this story. I’m not going to say the truth because I think there’s holes in this story too.

Lee Rodarte: Okay.

Detective 1: Um, so you don’t tell me this story and then today we’re talking again because I brought you down to talk to you because I found holes in that story that didn’t match up and now you’re telling me another story that has holes that does not match up. So, where’s Savvanah?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: Why were you being hesitant about Chelsea being at your house? First you said that you were by yourself, you ate alone

Lee Rodarte: Yes, I ate dinner alone. Yes.

Detective 2: Right, but that’s not true either because you ordered Pa Pa Johns for you and Chelsea. [cross talk]

Lee Rodarte: I ate, I ate corndogs earlier in the evening and when Chelsea got there, she was hungry, so I said…

Detective 2: But you clearly said you were alone.

Lee Rodarte: When I ate the corndogs, yeah.

Detective 2: Okay, yeah. Well you know what I’m saying.

Lee Rodarte: I remember specifically texting Chelsea “I’m eating corndogs”.

Detective 1: And all that is on your phone?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: Why would you delete all that?

Detective 1: Just a conversation with you and Chelsea you would delete about “I’m having corndogs”?

Lee Rodarte: That text might be on there.

Detective 1: Okay, but she…

Lee Rodarte: We got to talking about me going up to Bone Fish and everything like that.

Detective 1: Yeah. Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Chelsea said, you know “don’t involve me”, you know…

Detective 1: Does Chelsea believe you?

Lee Rodarte: She, I don’t know…

Detective 1: Okay. Um, just so you know, Chelsea thinks you’re bullshitting. Okay, because we’ve talked to her. We’ve talked to a lot of people.

Lee Rodarte: I mean, that’s about the gist of, you know, Chelsea’s attitude towards me for the most part for the past months. Ever since me and Savvanah.

Detective 2: Is that because you’re a liar? I mean, to her, in the past?

Lee Rodarte: That’s pretty much what she labels me as, yeah. Because…

Detective 2: Do you lie?

Lee Rodarte: Not about every, no, obviously to her about hanging out with Savvanah and stuff like that…

Detective 2: Okay.

Detective 1:  And you lied to me, about Savvanah.

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Detective 1: Okay. So, I’m just, I’m not trying to say anything…

Lee Rodarte: I understand.

Detective 1: I’m just trying to lay out the facts. I want to find this girl. I need to find her.

Lee Rodarte: I understand.

Detective 1: Here’s a couple reasons I need to find her. One is, um, I’m hoping that she is still alive. And that’s really, I’m really do, I’m holding out for that, um, and if she’s not alive then I think she and her family are due that knowledge. I think they need some closure. Um, cause I think the reality is, if somebody you know is dead somewhere a parent would want to know.  I think if, do you have kids?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay so, one day when you have kids, you, what beyond certainty is, is whatever kind of person she is, and I’m not about to say what kind of person she is, um, because I’m not making any judgements. I’m saying, this human being, if she’s alive, then I want to find her. I need to make sure she’s okay because it’s been several days now, she hasn’t been around. Some, theres, things that happen to the human body and some people can’t stand a lot of things that can transpire. But the other thing is is if she’s not alive this family deserves better than this. This family deserves better than somebody who works with her and who has knowledge but won’t tell the police because they’re worried about their own ass. Because that’s pretty cheap. I’m going to be honest with you

Lee Rodarte: I agree

Detective 1: Your feelings in it? I don’t really care about your feelings. What I care about finding her. So, where is she?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 1: Where is Savvanah?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: I need to know Savvanah is so I can let her family is.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 1: You don’t know because you had something done with her and you weren’t involved with that part? I don’t know. Tell me something. What can I work with?

Lee Rodarte: I told you the last time I saw her.

Detective 2: That’s not true because we have proof. We have proof. And that’s why we’re sitting here, Lee. At this point where we need that for her. I mean, I look at that little girl and I think of my little girl. My little girl that’s her age. That’s who I think about. If that was my little girl, I couldn’t imagine. I don’t care what she said about you or whatever. But my little girl is that age.

Detective 1: Maybe…

Detective 2: And you’re not telling the truth.

Detective 1: Maybe something get’s out of hand in the car.

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t do anything.

Detective 2: Okay, you didn’t do anything, but she was in your car. She never got out of your car. She never got out of your car, Lee.

Detective 1: We’re not saying you did anything. I’m trying to find her. I didn’t say you did anything.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 2: Well, we can prove that you left with her in the car. So please, do, do, do everybody a favor and just tell us.

Detective 1: Where is she?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: You got to be able to separate. We’re not saying you did anything to her. I don’t know, she’s on drugs. Maybe she passed out. I don’t know. I’m not in that car with you guys. I know that she’s in that car with you. I have proof of all of this.

Detective 2: Okay I’m going to ask you Lee, you tell us now if you’re being honest [inaudible] are you being honest?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 2: Okay then let’s start being honest. She never got out of your back seat. Lee, she never got out of your back seat. Video cameras don’t lie. How do you know, how do you know, how do you think I know this information, Lee? I wasn’t there. But a video camera caught it.

Detective 1: Tell me what happened.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: How did, how, what happened to her? Was it an overdose? Is that what happened? I don’t know. I’m not in the car with you guys. You just said she was in your car and she had admittedly done heroin. Bodies overdose all the time, is that what happens? Did she overdose?

Detective 2: Okay, well so tell us when you left with her in the car, that is what is shown, we can’t make up that. We can’t falsify video camera, Lee. I’m not lying to you. Because you know I’m telling the truth because you know what’s on the video. How else would I know that? I don’t unless I have the video. Where did you go with her?

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t go anywhere with her.

Detective 2: You did.

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: You did. So, the video cameras lie?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know this, I mean…

Detective 2: Well, I’m telling you, I’m telling you I’m not lying. I’m not making that up. That’s why I’m so passionate about this. This is someone child. You might not have kids, but damn it, she’s someone’s kid. It’s not fair to her mom with stage four cancer. When all she wants to know is where her daughter is but have this man sitting over here. A 28-year-old man, that first says you haven’t seen her, you didn’t see her that day, to now the roles have reversed a little bit, because we have been doing our background okay? And now you’re saying that she was sitting in your car, which all lines up with the video, actually, I’m glad you said you got in the back seat with her, all that lines up [edited]. You know what doesn’t line up? That passenger door comes open, and shuts, opens and shuts. She never gets out of that car. And you drive off. She never gets out of that car. There is no green truck. And that’s not right to her. We are fact finders, Lee. We don’t have anything personal against you.

Detective 1: No, no. Not at all. It’s over. Just tell us what happened.  Where is she?

Detective 2: We’re fact finders, just doing our job.

[Rodarte shakes head “no”]

Detective 2: No, no, no. Where did you go with her? Where did you go with her, Lee. You’re human, you’re human, you’re a man. Where did you go with her? I know you’re not that cruel inside. Seriously, where did you go with her?

Detective 1: Maybe, maybe you don’t know where she is now. Where did go with her?

Detective 2:  Please. Please. I’m begging you, Lee. Please. Please tell us. Please don’t make us waste any more of our time. Just tell us. Please tell us, please. I’m begging you; I know you’re not evil. Just tell us where she is. I’m begging, please. Please. Can you please just tell me? Is that how you want it, people to think. I know you’re not an evil person. I don’t see that in you. I don’t see that in your history. I don’t hear that those things about you at work. Please tell us where you went with her. She never got out of your car. Please tell us, please, please. I’m begging you. For her family. Please. Please. She didn’t get out of her car and you know that obviously. Please. Please, Lee. I’m begging you as a human.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: You do.

Lee Rodarte: Like

Detective 2: Just please, Lee. Please. Please don’t make us do this any longer.

Detective 1: For her, for her, for her family. [cross talk] Just tell us where she is. Where did you go?

Detective 2: Can you, can you just tell us? Where did you go with her then?

Detective 1: Where did you go with her? Can you at least tell us that?

Detective 2: Can you at least tell us that part? Where did you go with her afterwards? She didn’t get out of your car and you know that obviously

Detective 1: Yeah [inaudible] that’s why we are here. Just tell us where. Where did you go with her? Tell us that. At least put us in that direction. I owe her family. We’ve been, no one, we are not saying that you intentionally did anything. Just tell us where you went.  Please.

Detective 2: Lee.

Detective 1: You’ve been doing great. You already told us everything we already know.

Detective 2: It’s not right, Lee. This isn’t right for her family or for anybody. No one should have to go through this. I’m just, I’m just human like you are. She’s human. Her family. Everyone has feelings. Please. Now’s, now’s the time to tell us because I don’t think you’re any kind of evil person and I feel like you are going to tell us the truth. I do, I do believe that you’re going to tell us the truth because I believe you do have a conscious. Now’s the time. Please.

Detective 1: [inaudible] Where’d you guys go? I think you’re a good man, I think you want to do the right thing.

Detective 2: When you all left out of there you went down Clair lane and made a left on San Jose back to 295 and you get up on 295. Okay. Where else did you go before you went home? I mean I know you eventually went home.

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t go anywhere. I went straight home.

Detective 2: Okay, so what did you all do when you got home? Savvanah was with you. She was with you. And that’s okay at that point but I know that, here does she go from there? Is she still at your house?

Lee Rodarte:  No.

Detective 2: Okay. Is she still in your car?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: Okay. Well then, where is she?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 2: Okay. Where did you last drop her off at?

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t drop her off.

Detective 2: Okay, tell me.

Detective 1: Where did you guys go?

Lee Rodarte: We went to my house, we did some drugs, hung out for a little. Then she said she was going to catch an Uber home.

Detective 2: Okay, and did she call Uber?

Lee Rodarte: She pulled her phone out, looked like she was using it, I wasn’t hoovering over her. I was pretty high. I wasn’t, she told me she was leaving. She walked out the door.

Detective 2: What was going on in the back seat? What was going on in the back seat for the doors to be kicked open? She kicked open that door three times, Lee. She kicked it. We saw it. And you know I’m not making it up because I wouldn’t know this, because I wasn’t there, I would not know this, unless we had video or it. Correct? Yes. Okay, I’m not trying to trick you. I’m just a fact finder.

Detective 1: We’re to going to lie to you.

Detective 2: That door was kicked open three times. Obviously, something went wrong in that back seat. [inaudible] tell me about that. What happened in the back seat, did she get mad at you?

[edited]

Lee Rodarte: We got in arguments plenty of times where she said doesn’t care what happens or anything like that.

Detective 2: Let’s be honest, no one’s going to go with some man willingly after all that. No one’s going to do it. Please tell me where Savvanah is.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: You do know and right now is the time. You’re so close and I know, I know you’re going to tell me. I know you are because I just, I just know you are ‘cause I know you want to do the right thing. You’re scared to do the right thing. I get it.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah

Detective 2: I do.  I’m not…

Lee Rodarte: Can you just tell me what I’m being charged with, please?

Detective 2: Yes.

Detective 1: I want, I want to find her.

Detective 2: I don’t know that yet but at least I do know that your, [inaudible] for your arrest for the DWLS

Lee Rodarte: For what?

Detective 2: For the DWLS. [cross talk] Where, where is Savvanah?

Lee Rodarte:  So, what am I being charged with now? Driving with a suspended license?

Detective 2: I don’t know yet. I got to talk to the attorney that’s sitting out there watching this interview. Where’s Savvanah?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: You do know. So you’re going to make me, and our team, and this whole entire sheriff’s office and every person in this community to get out there after, you know, we, after they know the truth of who she left with and see’s the struggle in the back seat of your car? And you’re going to make all of us go and search Jacksonville for her when you could easily tell me where she is? Is that what we’re going to put everybody through?

Detective 1: Think about it. Alright. Sometimes people do wrong things. Alright? Sometimes people make mistakes. It’s what you do afterwards. We got a family that needs closure. They’re now coming to the reality that she’s no longer with us. I need closure for them. When stuff gets out that you guys left together and all that type of stuff, do you want people to remember you as the guy who said “okay, look, I’m going to do the right thing”? Or do you want your family and everybody else to think that you’re some evil, heartless person who won’t tell us where she is? Why would you put your family through all of that? I don’t think you’re that kind of guy. I don’t think you’re evil. Something got out of hand, I get it.  What you do after that? Here’s what you do, you do the right thing now. Just tell us where she is. Closure for her family.

Detective 2: Lee, we understand. Listen, we understand.

Detective 1: We’re not trying to hit you on anything.  I’m telling you we are thinking of this girl and her family and your family.

Lee Rodarte: She was…

Detective 1: Please tell me where to go find her. That’s how people will remember you.

[Edited]

Detective 1: We can work with that. You got to do the right thing now. You can do this. You can do the right thing.

[20 minutes edited out]

[Both detectives leave]

[Detective 1 Returns]

Detective 1: I just want to clarify something with you real quick? Okay, um when you [inaudible] I appreciate you being honest about everything.

[Edited]

Detective 1: Um, Have a seat over here. You want some more water or anything?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Give me a few minutes to finish go talking to her.

[Detective 1 exits]

Lee Rodarte: [crying]

[Officer enters]

Officer: Excuse me. Let me get a few more photographs of your hands. [Police radio] Just your hands. I want you to stand over here. Oh yes, hold them like that.

[Police radio]

[Six photo snaps]

Turn them to the other side.

[police radio]

[Six photo snaps]

[Officer exits]

[Rodarte knocks on door]

Staff 1: Yes sir.

Lee Rodarte: Uh, I just have a question.

Staff 1: Yes sir.

Lee Rodarte: One, am I going to be able to get a phone call at some time.

Staff 1: Well yes sir. We’ll, we’ll take you over to the jail and you’ll be able to make a call over there. Yes sir. What’s your other question?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, never mind. The other question is really… ridiculous.

Staff 1: Oh, okay. Alright. Well if you need anything just knock again and I’ll, we’ll try to..

Lee Rodarte: You guys don’t smoke in here, no?

Staff 1: No sir, unfortunately it’s a no smoking building. So, okay.

[staff 1 closes door]

Lee Rodarte: [inaudible] [crying] Damn it, why are you stupid?

Lee Rodarte: Fuck Chelsea. I should have realized she never loved me [cry].  Ah.

[people in another room]

Lee Rodarte: [sigh and grunts]

Lee Rodarte: [inaudible cries] going to jail. My mom’s going to die when I’m in jail. Can’t believe. Fucking idiot, Lee. Fucking stupid. Why are you here? Go…Jeez.

Lee Rodarte: [paces room then puts head on wall] [inaudible cries: what’s wrong with you?] Stupid. [inaudible] it’s so stupid. I’m fucked. Fucked.

Lee Rodarte: [paces room] [inaudible cries] [drinks water] [cries] I guess [inaudible] never tell the truth. [inaudible] I never [inaudible] I loved you. This was never meant to be. What Chelsea thinks. Fuck Chelsea and what she thinks. Fuck it. You did the right thing. She was s’cold. I’m so sorry Savvanah, I’m so sorry. Stop! Fuckin’ get killed in jail.

Lee Rodarte: [getting tissues] [inaudible]

Lee Rodarte: Oh man.  Fuck [inaudible], you’re a piece of shit. Savvanah was nice to you.  But somebody was a bitch to you. How does that make any sense? Somebody that gave two shits about you. [inaudible] nice.

Lee Rodarte: [puts on jacket] Last time you get to wear your chef coat. Fuck me. [getting tissues]

Lee Rodarte: It’s not supposed to be you. It’s not supposed to be you, Lee. [inaudible] fucking life. God damn it, Chelsea.

Lee Rodarte:  Everything. Cold places man. Get it through your fucking head. Could have just told her to leave, no. Should have grabbed her back.

[Staff 1 enters]

Staff 1: Alright. Okay Lee. Stay right there.

Detective 1: I want to thank you again for being truthful. Um, and you’re right you did have uh one for the driving [inaudible] um, so the deal from here is, you’ll be booked in tonight. Then you will make a first appearance. Um, tomorrow depending on what time you get in or how full they are. It’ll be first thing in the morning or in the afternoon. Probably the afternoon is what I’m thinking. And then at that point you’ll uh, get to see the judge and then you’ll be assigned an attorney but tonight you should be able to make your phone call. Okay? Um, I was going to ask you but I didn’t want to bug you a minute go. I was out there talking to her. One of the [edited]

Lee Rodarte: Alright

[All exits]

Bryan Greenwell Interrogation Transcript

On May 13, 2016,  Bryan Greenwell (also known as Brian Greenwall) shot and killed Jennifer Cain and critically wounded Derrell Wilson. Greenwell’s fiancé Jodie Cecil was there when the crime happened in a Shelby Park apartment. The living victim, Wilson, was crucial in the investigation. When police showed the couple an interview where Wilson implicates them in the crime while he is in poor condition in the hospital, they both admit their involvement. A summary of the case can be found here.  

Bryan Greenwell Interrogation Transcript

[door slams]

Investigator: Hey Bryan, what’s happenin’ man?

Bryan Greenwell:  What’s happenin’?

Investigator: My name is detective Royce, [inaudible]. Sorry it took me a little while to get over here..

Bryan Greenwell: [inaudible]

Investigator: Talking to Jodie.

Bryan Greenwell: Jodie?

Investigator: Mm-hm.

Bryan Greenwell: How she been doing?

Investigator: She’s a little upset.

Bryan Greenwell: About what?

Investigator: Well, that’s what we’re here to talk about. She’s a little upset, um… I want to tell you that she, I’m trying to remember her exact words but it was more along the lines of “I don’t want to tell him, I don’t want him to be scared, and uh, to talk to us.” Anything else along that. “Cause I want to, I want to go talk to him”, I said “I can’t let you do that, I may be able to let you do a recorded statement or write a note but”

Bryan Greenwell: So she wrote one down?

Investigator: I have a recording. Also, I have another recording that I would like you to review as well but I can’t ask you any questions yet because you’re in custody for something else. I don’t know. I know it’s some kind of dope charge, I know you did some stuff there. So before I actually ask you anything, tell you or show you anything, I have to read you your rights. You’ve had those read before, correct?

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: You’ve never had your rights read?!

Bryan Greenwell: No. I mean, when I was younger, yeah.

Investigator: Alright so you know what I’m talking about.

Bryan Greenwell:  I know what you’re talking about, yeah.

Investigator: Well, I’m going to go through this, and I brought a picture of your kiddos. [places photo of children on table in front of Greenwell] I gave her a picture of them, too. Alright before we ask you any questions you must understand your rights. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court of law. Right to talk to a lawyer prior to questioning or making any statements. Have them present with you while being questioned. Can’t afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed by the court to represent you before any questions if you desire one. You may stop the questioning or making statements at any time by refusing to answer further or requesting to consult with an attorney prior to continuing questioning or making statements. Those are your rights. And the second part of this form is just a waiver of your rights and basically says that “I read the statement of rights or had them read to me. I understand what my rights are and I’m willing to make a statement and answer some questions. I don’t want a lawyer at this time and I understand what I am doing. No promises or threats have been made, no pressure or coercion of any kind. You understand what coercion means, correct? [Greenwell nods] Okay, um. And I’m guessing you might have an idea what [Greenwell shakes head “no”] You don’t have an idea of what you might want to talk to me about?

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: Or what I want to talk to you about? Okay. And it has to do with the apartment you guys used to live at over on Shelby Street.

Bryan Greenwell: Oh, well, yeah….

Investigator: Does that ring a bell? That incident?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: What do you know about that incident?

Bryan Greenwell: As far as I know, that was supposed to been us, as far as my understanding. Just the guy, Terry Payne [spelling?] that uh, he was supposed to send somebody over to talk to us or something like that. I don’t know, ‘cause they said, well I know the guy too you know, they said something like that. And I’m not even sure if it’s him, you know what I’m sayin’? I’m just going off of what I’ve heard. That he got ripped off for some dope a few times. He got upset about it and the only reason why he wouldn’t come confront her by herself was because of me. Well, she never ripped him off for no dope anyways. It wasn’t her, it was

Investigator: So this was geared towards Jodie, is what you’re telling me?

Bryan Greenwell: Yes. And as far as I know somebody was supposed to send some people from Chicago, some black dudes. Said it’s not about the money now, it’s not about the dope, it’s about the principle. And he, Terry Payne [spelling?] told me this, and I told him I said “you better go back and tell them [inaudible] got no principle [inaudible] it seems like I’m just fucking around with my fiancée and it pulls me, you know what I’m saying? I’m involved. And he said “sorry, too late [inaudible], the call’s been made and that uh, people from .. what’d he say? New Orleans or something like that, up in luisiana up here looking for her. That’s when I noticed we started getting followed. And I’m like “hold up, you know maybe this shit is true”. I’ve been thinking it’s all, you know how people talkin’ just trying to scare somebody. And I kept noticing people following me and kept noticing people following me. And I’m like “hold the fuck up” you know? So I made a phone call and was like “dude, what the fucks going on?” He said “man” he said “I told you I would try to go talk to them”. I said “dude, you already [inaudible] tried to go talk to them and for the past, I don’t know, month and a half, something like that, everytime I walked out the door I was being followed”. And for the life of me, nobody believed me. And I mean, I told everybody. I said “man, somebody is following us. Somebody is following me or somebody is following you. Somebody.” Then I got locked up.

Investigator: What happened with that, a little.

Bryan Greenwell: That [cross talk]

Investigator: I’m not the dope police [cross talk]

Bryan Greenwell: I mean not one time did nobody ever say “police”, nobody said, I mean the whole time I told everybody I was being followed. I mean, I had people run up on me, I’d take off. Nobody said “cops” you know? So I don’t know if it’s the cops or if it was them or whoever, whatever. You know what I’m saying?  I’m like “shit”, so I done what I do. What I know best- protect myself and get the hell out of that situation for a moment. But that situation it was same thing. Two cars whipped up on me, then once I took off, yeah, he hit his lights. I’m like “I got a set of [inaudible] lights, which I do. You know what I’m saying? I got a flashlight that turns. You know what I’m saying? You click it one time and it starts flashing, you know what I mean, red, white, red, blue, them lights. You know what I’m saying? So I’m like “no one’s ever said ‘stop, police, this is the local, feds” whoever. You know what I’m saying?  So I didn’t stop. Even when we got back to the house we were staying at, not one time did anybody say “police”, “this is the police”, the whoever, blah blah. They just told me to get the fuck down or they would blow my damn brains out. I’m like “well uh” there’s a chance I got to take. Either they’re the police, and then once they started all coming up on me I noticed it was the police because all the equipment and shit like that. And I was like “well, maybe this is the cops” so I got down.

Investigator: Who all did you get arrested with that night?

Bryan Greenwell: Me, Jodie, Lala, and Chris.

Investigator: Does Lala have a real name? Everybody keeps saying Lala. Cause I’m not the dope police, I’m just curious

Bryan Greenwell: It’s uh, Laura. It’s Laura. I don’t know her last name.

Investigator: And it really doesn’t matter for me. I’m just curious because everyone says “Lala” and I’m like, “last time someone was named ‘LaLa’ was on a kids T.V. show” [laughter] Alright. Let me take you back to that apartment on Shelby. How long did ya’ll stay there?

Bryan Greenwell: Man, I can’t, I just got out of jail. I don’t know if she had that before I went in, or before right before I got out, or what. I think I was only there a couple weeks, maybe? Something like that. Maybe a little longer. I know it was like between two, two weeks. Two to three weeks. Something like that.

Investigator: And you guys never went back to that apartment?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, we went back.

Investigator: You did?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah. We went back and got some of our stuff. I mean, we’ve seen the landlord and nothing was ever said.  We’ve seen cops sitting there and nothing was ever said to us. And I was thinking “well, this aint got nothing to do with us, I hope”

Investigator: Did you know those neighbors [inaudible]? Ya’ll never, You ever seen them before?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, we’ve seen them in passing.

Investigator: If I showed you a picture of them, would you know who they are?

Bryan Greenwell: Pretty sure I would be.

Investigator: [shows photos]

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, yeah, that was her. Now the guy?

Investigator: Now this is a little older picture. I think he had probably just got done [inaudible]. His hair may have been a lot longer.

Bryan Greenwell: Hm, yeah. If you put long hair on him it looks like him.

Investigator: So you all didn’t have any interaction with them?

Bryan Greenwell: Nah, other than I mean, passing in the hallways or, it was just, I think it was what? One, two, two  [crosstalk] yeah. Because it was the front room, it was like a little storage or something like that. The back room was supposedly where he stored all his stuff for, I guess, the strip clubs that he owned or something. I don’t know.

Investigator: Mm-Hm. It was strip clubs, you’re right. Alright, um, what do you actually know about what happened over there? What have you heard? What do you know?

Bryan Greenwell: I just heard that somebody got shot, somebody got killed or something like that. Then we stayed away for a couple days because that’s when I found out that supposedly they were there for her, and us, you know what I’m saying? It was supposed to be us. I was like, you know, um, we made the decision to stay away for a couple of days because hell, somebody wanted to talk to her they, the landlord knew her phone number, her cell phone number, knew her name, everything else. Nobody ever tried to contact us. At least, as far as I know, nobody ever tried to contact us. Which I mean the house, the apartment wasn’t even, it was her apartment, wasn’t in my name, or nothing like that.

Investigator: Right. Alright. Did you know that there were two victims there? Did you know that?

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: Both of those two people I showed you.

Bryan Greenwell: No, they told me it was just the.. uh.. lady.

Investigator: Well, both of them were shot. And uh, this is what I want to show you.

[Investigator moves laptop over to Greenwell and moves his chair closer]

Investigator: He didn’t die.

Voice on recording: Do you remember, do you know your neighbors next door? [inaudible] Did you know who they were? If I showed you pictures of your neighbors would you know who they were? Where your neighbors involved in any of this? You recognize her? That Jodie? Your Neighbor?

Investigator: So. That’s just the start of it but

Bryan Greenwell: Okay, well lets finish it.

Investigator: No, I got a, I got a couple follow ups here.

Bryan Greenwell: Okay.

Investigator: When I showed Jodie this, she lost it.

Bryan Greenwell: She lost it like?

Investigator: Bawling crying, broke down.

Bryan Greenwell: Let me guess, said that we done it.

Investigator: She did.

Bryan Greenwell: Well.

Investigator: And before you know, I am going to tell her the same thing I told her, I said “ya’ll have some important things in front of you.” I said, “bad things happen to good people. Sometimes people get put into situations and shit didn’t go as planned.” Um, I believe that’s what happened here. I don’t think there was malicious intent going in. I think things escalated and went bad. I told her I wanted to help her try to get to the good side of this and to not paint her into a negative light on it. And I said, I told her, I said I will give you that same opportunity and tell you the same things that I have told you both the exact same things. And that’s how I want to present it. I don’t bullshit people, I’ll tell you what I’ve got. I mean…

Bryan Greenwell: Fair enough.

Investigator: I mean, I got a living victim that puts you there. I’ve got Jodie who says you were there. Now I want to hear from you, what in the world happened. Like I said, I think something went wrong, I don’t think you got there on

Bryan Greenwell: I want to hear the rest of it. What Jodie had to say.

Investigator: What Jodie had to say? I don’t have Jodie on video.

Bryan Greenwell: I thought you said you had her on

Investigator: I have it on an audio recording. I just did it. I don’t have it on a disk yet. I still have it on an actual recorder.

Bryan Greenwell: Can I hear it?

Investigator: Let me see if I can do that. I don’t even know if I can do that. It’s on this recorder that’s in my pocket right now. The same one I have on right now.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, lets find out if we can do that because, I mean…

Investigator: Is that going to change..

Bryan Greenwell: Nah man, I want to

[cross talk]

Investigator: I’m not going to play it word for word for you so you can hear her story.

Bryan Greenwell: No no no.

Investigator: I’ve been doing this a little longer than that.

Bryan Greenwell: I don’t I don’t expect you to do that either but I would like to know what she’s saying.

Investigator: I can give you the, I can give you the details of, I guess the general of what she’s said. Is that, and he goes on to say that, they were involved in a domestic situation. Then apparently, he may have been getting the best of her, and she came over for help. You guys go back to their apartment, it happened inside their apartment, you guys intervened on the good side of this to start with, trying to help her out. And things went bad from there. Does that sound, is that a fair statement of how things may have occurred?

Bryan Greenwell: No. I mean.

Investigator: It’s not.

Bryan Greenwell: I had no. Yeah, I know these people. I don’t know them personally. You know what I’m saying? I know them from that apartment. And yes, we did go over there. But, that’s it. I mean hell, if you finger print the place you can find my fingerprints on a couple things because where I walked in the room. I kind of picked some stuff up, you know, because it was laying everywhere so I was like [noises from cuffs on table while he demonstrates moving stuff over] I mean, other than that.

Investigator: Alright. I know right now you’re trying to figure out where to go with this. Because I don’t want you to start digging yourself a hole.

Bryan Greenwell:  I know what you want me to do is to commit, you know, say

Investigator: Oh, I don’t need you to, I don’t need you to. I got, you know, I’ve got Jodie’s statement. I have enough to walk out of this room right now. What I’m trying to do is try to give you an opportunity to do the same thing she just did which is go at it with the angle “we were trying to help and things just went bad”.  That’s a whole lot better then just not making a statement and me just going off him. I mean, you think I put a guy who’s paralyzed from the neck down on a ventilator with an interview like this up to twelve people on a jury that they’re not going to sympathize with him instead of you? I’ll take that all day long, twice on Sunday.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, you know [cross talk] I’m looking at it too, I’m like “yeah as it stands right now, I mean, regardless of what I say right now, I’m fucked in this situation.

Investigator: And I’m trying to say there’s a little bit of an out right here to make it better on you to not make it look like… I don’t believe you’re a cold blooded killer. You know? I don’t believe that at all. Nothing suggests that to me. I think you’re a smart guy that got involved with a situation you probably shouldn’t have. Not saying that you shouldn’t help somebody out but I’m saying shit went bad real quick. And I don’t think anybody should be judged on one thing alone, there should be a whole series of events that happened here that get to basically where we are right now. And I just want you to think about a lot of different things. And I know I’ve thrown a lot at you at one time, you know. And I, I, and I can’t say I understand where you’re at right now because I haven’t been there but I can sympathize with you.

Bryan Greenwell: I do this everytime.

Investigator: What do you mean you do this everytime.

Bryan Greenwell: I always try to protect everybody. You get that recorder off for a minute so I can ask you a question?

Investigator: This? Yeah. [shuts laptop]

Bryan Greenwell: And the one in there.

[turns off recorder in pocket and shows Greenwell]

Bryan Greenwell: Nothing else recording, right?

Investigator: I don’t know about this room, this is the corrections room so I would have to say, well, I don’t know.

Bryan Greenwell: What happens if I go with, I mean ‘cause I know the story here, you know what I’m saying? I know the whole thing, what happened

[electronic beep]

Bryan Greenwell: What was that?

Investigator: I’m guessing I just got an email ‘cause this is my actual work computer.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, look, how do I get Jodie off of all of this?

Investigator: I mean, I think, I think she’s the least copiable of anything that happened. You know, I think she was just there. Um, and what he says and what she says really jive in line with the support, they support each other in their statements. Um, but I mean honestly it’s just going through the story, and I think I know the story. If I tell you the story, would it sound anything like what I started it off as. A domestic thing that you guys got involved in, you end up in a fight, with them with a gun and it goes off, and I can’t tell you any more than that because, you know.  By any chance, does that seem like a story that, of what may have happened?

Bryan Greenwell: Yep.

Investigator: You see, we can work with that because the beginning part of it. Because there’s a big difference between you going in and saying “I’m going to f*** kill somebody” and you going in “I’m trying to help somebody” and then shit goes bad. There’s, That’s way different things there that we’re talking about. And one’s a whole lot better than the other. I mean, the end result was that people lost their lives, yes. But it’s a whole lot different when it comes to juries, when talking about charges. You know, those types of things. It’s a night and day situation.

Bryan Greenwell: I would say. Yeah. Like you say, ya’ll would paint me out to be the fucking, wow. I mean, as it stands right now, which is those two saying that shit, you all got enough to convict me on anything.

Investigator: And that’s what I’m saying. I’m not going to bullshit you. I told you that. I got enough right now, I could walk out of the room but that’s not what I want to do because I believe in getting everybody a fair shot at this. Minimum is 18 years. You know, I don’t bullshit when I talk to people. I don’t play that whole mind game or running in circles and we talk for six hours. That’s how you run a guy.  I tell you what I got, I tell you how good, I’m not going to lie if I got something that’s weak. I’m gonna be like “Hey, this is what I got, here’s your chances, fifty fifty.” This is not a fifty fifty chance kinda thing right here, I tell you that.

Bryan Greenwell: No it’s a “screwed me all the way around”

Investigator: That’s why I’m trying to give you, I want you to see how I’m trying to let you get out in front of it. Tell your part of the story on it.

Bryan Greenwell: Is there anyway I could smoke a cigarette?

Investigator: I think we could probably make that happen. We let everybody, everybody else smoke one in the basement. When we come back, finish up the story? I think we could do that. Sit back for a minute. See what we could do for you.

Bryan Greenwell: Uh, regardless of what happens you all can’t … nevermind.

Investigator: [inaudible] I think I know what you’re trying to get out and [inaudible] you don’t want anything to happen to Jodie on this. Does that sound about right?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: I really think that’s going to depend on a lot about what we talk about, what you tell me on this. I think we can minimize her involvement

Bryan Greenwell: [inaudible]

Investigator: Well, I mean like, she is there. I mean, have you ever heard of about, uh, doing a bank robbery.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: You’re the robber, you go in and rob the store. I’m just the driver. We both get in a car chase and get caught down the way. What charge do I get?

Bryan Greenwell: Accessory

Investigator: What charge do you get? It’s a robbery.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: I mean, she’s there with you. So she is a complicit, she’s complicit in this. And not including that, there’s nothing done on her behalf to help, or stay, or call or anything. So that’s her little bit of a problem but her involvement is minimal.

Bryan Greenwell: Its, she did try to.

Investigator: What did she try to do?

Bryan Greenwell: Tried to help.

Investigator: After they were shot? What did she try to do? I mean, this helps her.

Bryan Greenwell: We’ll talk, we’ll talk about it all here in a second. Let me calm down.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. I’ll give you some time, you know, get your stuff in order. See if I can set up that cigarette.

Bryan Greenwell: I appreciate it, thanks.

Investigator: Alright.

[Investigator opens door and talking with someone else]

Bryan Greenwell: A glass of water or somethin’, [inaudible]

Investigator: Yeah.

[Investigator returns to room]

Investigator: Alright, we’re gonna,

Bryan Greenwell: Hey, is Jodie still down there?

Investigator: No, they already took her back to CCC.

Other person: Is there like a count or something they need to do at a certain time or something? I don’t know.

Investigator: We’re going to go, soon as he comes back here, we’re going to go down, downstairs. We’re not going to talk about anything we talked about in here. Just going to be for you to smoke, get your thoughts together, okay? then we’ll come back in here and talk some more, some questions.

[Investigator and Greenwell leave room- brief conversation with other person]

[Investigator and Greenwell return]

investigator: Shoot it to me, I want to hear it. You know, I’ve talked to some other people, I know it’s been bothering you. Everybody has said that you have been acting different. It’s really been bothering you. So it’s been noticeable to other people. Take that weight off, throw it on me. Get it off your shoulders, man.

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, ya’ll aren’t going to try to hit me with no fucking death penalty or nothing

Investigator: No, there’s no aggravated circumstances.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, try to get this done as quick as possible. Cause I’ll be honest with ya, I can’t sit in that jail.

Investigator: I understand.

Bryan Greenwell: Jodie didn’t have nothing to do with it. She did try to get help for her, I mean I even did try but … She comes over there and says he’s over there beatin’ on her. So we walked over there. We didn’t even walk in the apartment at first. I was like, you know, “what’s going on?” Jodie didn’t even go over there at first. She was like “you go over there and see what”. Said “yeah”. Dude was over there throwing shit, breaking shit, cussing her. All three of us were standing outside, even the girl was standing outside, you know what I’m saying, and I was like “look, just leave or come over here, something”, you know what I’m saying, “or I’m gonna call the cops”. She went back inside and he grabbed ahold of her or something like that. Jodie was like, you know, “you gotta help her”. Cause I guess her [inaudible] or something like that. So I walked in there and I separated them and this and that. That’s when, to be honest with you, I don’t even, I can’t even remember how the gun came into play, for real. Well, we started, kinda wrestling around and the gun went off. And then it went off again.

Investigator: How many times do you think it went off?

Bryan Greenwell: Honestly man, I don’t even know. I mean, I was… blacked out or something like that. I don’t know. Man, it’s like… I’m guessing two or three times, three. Something like that. I remember hearing three gunshots.

Investigator: Do you remember which one you shot first?

Bryan Greenwell: No, honestly. I don’t. [inaudible] I freaked out. And I was like “man, what the fuck. I came over here to help somebody this shit happens.” I think… I know it went off once. I think she got hit first, I’m not for sure. I mean [inaudible] was still struggling and it went off again. I do remember that. And that’s when he fell on the bed. And I didn’t, I mean, I didn’t know what to do. I mean, I went over there, like you said, there was no intentions of going over there [inaudible] malice intended or nothing like that, you know?

Investigator: You remember about what time, I know this happened Friday the 13th, is when we were there and it was later in the afternoon when we got there. When do you think this might have happened? Was it on that Friday? If I’m not mistaken she was supposed to start that new job on Friday at noon, does that sound right? Do you know that? Jodie knew that, that’s why

Bryan Greenwell: I don’t know.

Investigator: Okay.

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, after it was all done and everything I might have heard Jodie say something she was supposed to start a job today or something like that. It was like “what the fuck man, now what am I supposed to do?” You know, we were both like that, like “what do we do?” Neither one of us knew what to do. She was like “listen, call the cops” cause like you said we went over there with the intentions of helping not hurting somebody, you know? And she never, Jodie never, was near that apartment, what-so-ever, as far as I know of.

Investigator: She told me that she did. She didn’t go into the room that you guys were in which is the back bedroom. But she said she made it into part of it. You said she tried to help them afterwards, so

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, she was like

Investigator: I mean, it doesn’t matter to me. If she came in [inaudible] If she came in it’s fine. That doesn’t get you in trouble that makes you a normal human being that wants to come in and maybe try to help.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, I mean, we was both you know saying, she was like saying, well actually I was [inaudible] standing there then turned around and looked at her at the door and I was like “what do I do?” You know what I’m saying? I didn’t know. And I still, to this day, I still can’t tell you exactly, from start to finish, what happened, you know what I’m saying? I just know that I was the one standing in the room when both of them were laying there. Jordie was like “[inaudible] are they still breathing” whatever, you know what I’m saying. I was like “I don’t know?” I mean what, what, I mean, how do you check if somebody is [cross talk]

Investigator: Never been in that situation before.

Bryan Greenwell: And I do know that, I’m not for sure if the landlord called or if Jodie called the landlord or what, I’m not for sure, but I do remember hearing her say the landlord called or the landlord’s wife or something like that saying about you [inaudible] the cops [inaudible] dope from them or something. [inaudible] look like we went in there to rob them or something which wasn’t the case. Nothing was took, nothing like that. And I was like man, I didn’t know what to do. You know what I mean? I still don’t know what to do. I mean, I don’t know

Investigator: What happened with the gun? What did you do with the gun?

Bryan Greenwell: Destroyed it. Melted it down.

Investigator: Melted it down? How did you do that? That takes a lot of heat.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, I know. Well, actually the gun didn’t get melted down it got took apart and [inaudible] got melted down. And I was like, “man, I don’t know” and I gave the gun back to the person that owned it. You know what I’m saying? He just let me borrow it. And I can’t tell you his name because I don’t want to get him…

Investigator: So did you destroy it or did you give it back to the guy?

Bryan Greenwell: No, I took it apart Most of the gun went back.

Investigator: I mean, don’t bullshit me. I mean, it’s not, this is not a, that’s not a big issue there. My big thing honestly is, well, yeah I would like to recover it but I just want to make sure you didn’t just toss it somewhere and some kid got to it, that’s more what I’m worried about.

Bryan Greenwell: No No I made sure, yeah, I made sure there wasn’t no kid or no innocent bystander or nothing like that was gonna [inaudible] pick it up.

Investigator: What model was it? I know what caliber it was, at this point, wondering what model it was.

Bryan Greenwell: A Taurus, I think. Or… uh, yeah I think it was a Taurus. Pretty sure it was a Taurus.

Investigator: And you know, I know it was a 40, you know. I’m just curious.

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, to be honest with you I tried blocking it out but…

Investigator: You can’t block something like that out, man. And if you try to it’s eventually going to come back out and it’s going to eat and eat and eat. I mean, I can tell how upset you are

Bryan Greenwell: [inaudible cry] I never meant for none of this to happen. I mean, I don’t know what else to say besides that it was me.

Investigator: Is there anybody else there with you guys?

Bryan Greenwell: [shakes head “no”]

Investigator: Nobody else, okay. Did you have the gun on you when you first went over there? Was this a “I went back over there and got it” or did you have it on you when you first went over there?

Bryan Greenwell: Nah, I had it on me because the situation that fuckin’ everybody was saying that people was out looking for [inaudible] and this and that [inaudible] so I kept it on me. Just for her protection. I wasn’t going to …

Investigator: I understand. Did you, you said you didn’t take anything from the scene at all.

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: No. Did ya’ll leave anything by any chance? Lose anything?

Bryan Greenwell: I don’t, honestly I don’t know. I mean, I didn’t even try fuckin’ finding the shells that came out of the gun. I was just like, you know, I was dumbfounded, pretty much.

Investigator: And I know you didn’t, this happened in the back bedroom, where they fighting in the back bedroom and you got into the middle of it or did, you know, did you and him get into a fight in the back bedroom? I just want to be clear about it.

Bryan Greenwell: Well they was fighting. Worse than, we was all standing outside in the hallway..

Investigator: And we’re talking about physical fighting, not arguing

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, we’re talking about physical fighting. And I was like, you know, that’s when Jodie said “you gotta help her”. That’s when I went in there and everything just happened so fast that … you know the rest. I mean, she did try to help them. I didn’t know what to do to help, I mean, I freaked out. I still freak out.

Investigator: Well, I tell you what. This whole thing, this whole situation, I mean it sucks, I mean I was right. Was I not right from the minute I went in here on the way things went down?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: And I still believe bad shit happens to good people all the time but this series of events doesn’t paint you out to be a cold calculated “I don’t give a fuck” killer. I mean, shit happened, yeah. There’s nothing we can do about that now. But the way that we presented it as you coming over to help, and correct me if I’m wrong, would you see there’s a big difference between somebody who doesn’t give a fuck and coming over there and shooting people opposed to somebody who is there for a purpose and I can confirm that purpose because there was a domestic fight going on, and you go over there and shit goes bad.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: There’s a big difference there.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah. There’s a bid difference. I mean, I should have went with my gut and just stayed out of it. But I’m not that type of person. If I see somebody needs help, I try to help.

Investigator: I’m going to let you take this picture with you, too. I don’t know if you have any with your kids with you. Because I think, because I think the way we talked here tonight, that getting to see them is going to come a whole lot sooner than if would have been if you told me “I’m not talking to you, get out of the room”. I mean, I could have happened either way, and [inaudible] that’s why I really.. That’s what I was really worried about. That you wouldn’t understand how important of a chance I was trying to give you to get out. You were in a hole. And you’re still in a hole. It’s definitely not as deep as it was with your story out there. And it goes a long way with prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges and jurors. So we got to look at its a bump in your road. That bump was sitting back at your back side, you hadn’t crossed it yet.  Now we’re across it. Now we are going to figure out from here where to go and you’re going to get your life back on track. Does that sound like a good plan, here?

Bryan Greenwell: That’s not what I wanted.

Investigator: No? Nothing but future in front of you now. Don’t get me wrong. We’re going to take a little bit of it here, but it aint all of it. And what you do with the rest of it, is up to you.

Bryan Greenwell: I’ll never see daylight again.

Investigator: See people I’ve talked to heard you say that and I disagree with that. You have to remember where we are. We’re [inaudible] tend to be more lenient, more liberal here.

Bryan Greenwell: I hope so.

Investigator: And you’ve done yourself big time favors here. You’ve done the best you can for yourself with the situation you’re in. I’m going to go out here and talk to the corrections people and make sure they know about everything. Any questions you have for me right now? You have anything? Alright. Sit tight. We’ll be back here in a few minutes.

Bryan Greenwell and Jodie Cecil Case Summary

Bryan Greenwell (also known as Brian Greenwell) and Jodie Cecil have been found guilty of killing a woman and leaving a man severely injured in Shelby Park neighborhood in Louisville Kentucky. Both defendants were charged with murder, criminal attempted murder, first degree assault, and tampering with physical evidence. Bryan Greenwell and Jodie Cecil were neighbors of Jennifer Cain and Derrell Wilson.

Jennifer

On May 13, 2016, Jennifer Cain was shot several times and died from her injuries. Derrell Wilson survived the attack with life threatening injuries and played a crucial role in the confession of the defendants. While still hospitalized and in poor condition, Derrell Wilson indicated that Bryan Greenwell and Jodie Cecil were involved in the attack. A recording of the interaction with Derrell Wilson and police was recorded and shown to the defendants during interrogation.

After being confronted with the recording of the accusation by the victim, the couple claimed that their neighbors were having a domestic dispute and they went over to assist.  Instead of deescalating the situation as they supposedly planned, Bryan Greenwell ended up shooting the couple. Cecil said that a fight broke out over the gun, and Greenwell said he “blacked out” and doesn’t know what happened.

Greenwell

Trial began on May 21, 2018 and ended on May 25, 2018 with both defendants being found guilty of all charges. Greenwell was a habitual felony offender causing the jury to recommend life in prison. A recommendation of 20 years in prison was made for Cecil. She received 10 additional years for trafficking methamphetamines; a charge Greenwell was already in jail for when he was questioned by police.

Despite being shot in the head, Derrell Wilson is making an astonishing recovery. Initially, Derrell Wilson was unresponsive. Against the odds, months later Derrell Wilson is regaining his motor functions.

George Huguely Case Summary

George Huguely

George Huguely was a University of Virginia student, along with his on – again, off – again girlfriend, Yeardley Love. They both played lacrosse for the school. The couple had a rough relationship where there was intense arguments, domestic violence, and excessive alcohol consumption. A week before the murder, Yeardley Love allegedly sent messages to Huguely expressing that she had intimate relations with another man while away from town. A few days later the two bumped into one other at a bar and Love allegedly later came to Huguely’s apartment angry. She had to be removed by one of Huguely’s roommate’s girlfriends because she was being aggressive. After this point, Love refused any contact with Huguely. This no-contact arrangement was not mutual, and Huguely repeatedly tried to email Love to arrange a time to talk about what had happened. After a day’s worth of drinking on May 2, 2010, Huguely decided to go to Love’s house after leaving a bar.

Love

It is believed that sometime shortly after midnight, Huguely went in through the unlocked front door of Love’s apartment. After finding that Love would not let him into her bedroom, he kicked a hole through the door and reached his arm in to unlock her door. Huguely continued to argue with her about the previous incidents that upset him, while Love tried to get him to leave by screaming to get out and to leave her alone. In the police interrogation, Huguely stated that he shook her as she leaned into the corner, and wrestled with her, trying to pacify her. He claims the last he saw her she was standing with him looking at him, though she had not screamed or said anything after being shaken, and then he tossed her onto the bed and left, saying “go to bed”.

When Love’s roommate came home at 2:15 a.m., she discovered Love’s body and called police. Huguely waived his Miranda rights when brought into the police station and detailed the assault. Half way through the interrogation he is informed that Love died, where he breaks down saying “please tell me she’s not dead… she can’t be dead… there’s no way… I didn’t do anything that could have done that to her.”

George Huguely Police Interrogation

The following investigation of George Huguely is in relation to the murder of his on-again off-again girlfriend, Yeardley Love. In an emotional state fueled by alcohol, George Huguely went to Love’s apartment, kicked a hole through her bedroom door, and assaulted her. The assault resulted in Love’s death. A case summary can be found here. 

George Huguely Police Interrogation


Investigator 1: [Inaudible} Just so you know, um, I don’t have any arrest warrants for you. Okay?

George Huguely: Okay.

Investigator 1: However, I am investigating a case and you are being detained. Which means [inaubible] you to leave.

George Huguely: Okay.

Investigator 1: So, I want to talk to you about this to find out [inaudible: door slams] you know what I’m saying? So, before I want to talk to you, I have to make sure you do understand your rights. Okay, now that I’ve explained to you what is going on with that and stuff. You understand that?

George Huguely: Yes.

Investigator 1: Okay. Today’s date is May 3rd. The current time is 7:52.

Investigator 2: [inaudible]

Investigator 1: What’s that?

Investigator 2: [inaudible]

Investigator 1: So your first name is George? G-E-

George Huguely: O-R-G-E

Investigator 1: And your middle name?

George Huguely: Is Wesley.

Investigator 1: How do you spell that?

George Huguely: W-E-S-L-E-Y

Investigator 1: And spell your last name

George Huguely: H-U-G-U-E-L-Y

Investigator 1: [inaudible] He is also a detective with [inaudible].

George Huguely: Yeah.

Investigator 1: This is just something I have to ask you. Can you read and write?

George Huguely: Yes.

Investigator 1: Have any threats or promises been made to you by police or the attorney’s office?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: Before we ask you any questions you must understand your rights. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer before questioning or have one present during questioning. If you can not afford a lawyer one will be provided for you. And if you are willing to talk to us now you have the right to stop at any time. Got it?

George Huguely: Yup.

Investigator 1: Awesome. Need your signature there, that you understand your rights and are willing to talk to us. And the time now is 7:53. [inaudible] First I want to do a background on you if that’s okay? [inaudible] How long have you been a student?

George Huguely: It’s my fourth year.

Investigator 1: Fourth year? Oh, okay. Long time then, huh? How long have you lived where you live right now?

George Huguely: Two years

Investigator 1: Two years? Okay. And you play lacrosse?

George Huguely: Yeah.

Investigator 1: How long have you been playing that?

George Huguely: Since I was very young. At school for four years.

Investigator 1: Alright. Um, do you work anywhere?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: No? Where do you get your support from? Family? Um, Let’s kind of start, I want to kind of ask you some questions and I’ll explain some things a little later, um, tell me about your day yesterday.

George Huguely: Played golf with my [inaudible]

Investigator 1: Where was that at?

George Huguely: Um, wintergreen.

Investigator 1: Wintergreen? Okay.

George Huguely: And I went to dinner with my dad with two buddies.

Investigator 1: Where was that?

George Huguely: We went to CNL. [inaudible] Um, went out to the bar for a little bit.

Investigator 1: What time did you go out to eat?

George Huguely: [inaudible] I would say we left like 5ish, so I would say at 7:30 somewhere.

Investigator 1: Okay.

George Huguely: Then went home. Drank a few beers. Went to the bar for a little while.

Investigator 1: Which one?

George Huguely: [inaudible] heights.

Investigator 1: Oh, Okay.

George Huguely: Then I went over to talk to Yeardley and…

Investigator 1: Who’s Yeardley?

George Huguely: Yeardley is my former girlfriend. [inaudible: this is about which I understand?] But I went over to talk to Yeardley. I was like “YEARDLEY” and she was like already totally freaked out because of what she did this past, like a few days ago, and we haven’t talked since and I was just going to like talk to her. And she was already like “ah”; freaking out. Like, you know [inaudible] and I was like “I’m just trying to talk to you”. And like she like started to be like, really like, defensive against it. Because the week before she came into my apartment and like attacked, like started striking me and I was like “you gotta leave” and like, my roommates girlfriend had to be like, take her out of there because of this. So like, when I went in to talk to, [inaudible] talk to her, she was already on the defensive edge. I was like “I’m not here to like, I’m just here to talk to you” and she got all like, sat up. Like against the wall,  like if it was in this corner she was up against the wall and I was like, we were sitting there talking and she started getting like, all like aggressive like after this so I was like “chill out” and shook her a little bit and she started being like, freaking out. And I was like “Listen, I’m not here to do anything, I’m here to talk to you about everything that ensued in the last week.” And She was like, started being like “no no no ” hitting her head [pretends to hit head on wall] like “stop it” [inaudible] I was like “Yeardley what the hell, like, we were just going to talk”. It was not at all a good conversation because like, she was already like, freaking out just seeing me, just even seeing me there.

Investigator 1: Okay, what happened next?

George Huguely: Next she just kept hitting her head on the wall where she was sitting on the bed and I was like [demonstrates grabbing arms] grabbed her and was like “stop” and I looked at her and was like “we need to like talk about this”. Like I held her arms and stuff but like I never struck her, never like hit her [demonstrates hitting someone] hit her in the face or anything. I was just like “we need to talk” and she was like so, like what’s the word? [demonstrates violently shaking with his arms and dodging motions] fish out of the water like. So like, all this. All because of what happened last week and I was like “Listen like, I’m not here to like fight with you or do anything, I’m here to talk to you.” And like “noooo get away from me”. Like that’s what happened. I left and she was in her bed, I think her nose was bleeding a little bit but she was, when I left she was still in her bed. Actually, she may, at one point she was on the floor and we were talkin, we were, and she was like still fighting. Actually no, she was running to her desk where her desk is and she was like “you have to leave, you have to leave, you have to leave, you have to leave” like all this stuff. I was like “alright, but I want to talk to you after all of this.” I was a little persistent because of the situation. Like, my former girlfriend who, what happened last week, you know, alright like talk and everything. Somehow we ended up, somehow I was wrestling her on the floor and I was like “stop” and I was holding her but I never struck her or anything. And I think that might have been when her nose started to bleed, actually. When I was holding her on the floor being like “Listen like [inaudible: attacked?], I wanted to talk to her about everything because I got like, whatever, text messages from her and all this stuff. That’s when I was like holding her, not like forcefully. That’s when her nose started to bleed [inaudible: face on the ground?] and then the conversation was going no where and nothing was happening http://and%20video%20breaks%20up left and went back home.

Investigator 1: Lets kinda start from, you keep talking about something that happened last week. What happened last week?

George Huguely: What happened last week?

Investigator 1: Does it kind set up the…

George Huguely: Well, yeah. That’s why I was going over there to talk to her.

Investigator 1: What happened last week? Let’s start there.

George Huguely: Last week? Well, a lot of things happened. Basically she came over to my appointment at, on,

Investigator 1: Let me stop you, real quick. How long have ya’ll been dating?

George Huguely: Two years.

Investigator 1: Two years? Okay.

George Huguely: Yeah, two and a half years.

Investigator 1: Okay, alright. Now start from the last week.

George Huguely: We broke up like a month ago but we have been talking and hanging out and stuff.

Investigator 1: [inaudible] break up?

George Huguely: We broke up because she wanted to. ‘Cause she wasn’t real sure about all of this because we’re both like graduating and she wants to move to New York and I want to move to like San Francisco. So she was like “we don’t really know” and she was like, unsure about all of this so we broke, so she was like, sorta broke it off like slightly over a period of time. Like “we shouldn’t hang out anymore” but we were still hanging out and everything. And then, come a week ago she went down to Carolina. I don’t really know what happened, she told me what happened, which was she sent me some text messages like “oh I’m so glad I like, I [studders] fucked so and so.” So I didn’t respond to that. I was like “whatever”.

Investigator 1: She said she “fucked” somebody? Is that what you just said?

George Huguely: Hooked up, fucked, same thing. So I didn’t respond to that. Those were like text messages. So I was like [inaudible: Brian?] look at this, this is fucked up but didn’t respond. So I went to the bar. Saw her at the bar, actually, and she’s all like fucked up. So I was talking to a buddy and uh, and she like comes over. My buddy like, didn’t even bother like. And then I get home like on my sofa and she comes in the door, like this. With the same buddies I was with earlier and two girls that were visiting deciding if they wanted to come here to school or not. And she comes over and started hitting me in the face and I was like “ah stop, get off of me, leave me alone, like you can’t be doing this” and my roommate’s girlfriend, I was calling her from the kitchen like “get her out of here” like never touched her or struck her. Like “Listen, you have to like stop hitting me” and she wouldn’t stop. She kept coming. So that happened. So I was going over there to talk to her, last night, on Saturday. That’s the reason I was going over there to talk to her. I never like hit her, or struck her, like nothing.

Investigator 1: Okay, so you go over there. Knock on the door?

George Huguely: Her front door was open. Her room door was closed and I knocked like this [knocks on wall] “Yeardley”. Like she heard me [inaudible] and went.

Investigator 1: Went where?

George Huguely: To her room.

Investigator 1: Straight to her bedroom?

George Huguely: Well, yeah, I mean.

Investigator 1: How did you get through the door?

George Huguely: Her door? Front door?

Investigator 1: Her door.

George Huguely: Actually, it might have been locked.

Investigator 1: Mhm. It was.

George Huguely: Yeah. Actually.

Investigator 1: Just be honest.

George Huguely: Yeah, actually it was locked because I think I put a hole. Pretty sure it was locked now that you said that.

Investigator 1: Why would you do that?

George Huguely: Because I wanted to talk to her. She’s been sending me like emails.

Investigator 1: Was she telling you to leave?

George Huguely: Well I guess, once I was in her room. She was like, very, like [inaudible: I don’t want to talk to you?]

Investigator 1: What was she wearing?

George Huguely: She was, what was she wearing? She was in her bed. A tee-shirt?

[cross talk]

Investigator 1: Okay. So she was in her bed in a tee-shirt. Light on, light off?

George Huguely: Light off. I’m pretty sure this was around 12:45 ish. So she like, probably, either asleep or doing something. So I went in there to talk to her and she was very on edge. “I don’t want to talk, I don’t want to talk”. And I was like “what you told last week was outrageous, I just want to talk to you.”

Investigator 2: [inaudible]

George Huguely: Because I want to talk to her.

Investigator 1: Continue on. It’s fine. Continue on. So you want to talk to her and she doesn’t want to talk to you.

George Huguely: Not really. I mean, we talked though. There were parts where we were talking.

Investigator 1: Do you know what you were talking about?

George Huguely: I mean, about so many different things.

Investigator 1: Like what?

George Huguely: Like what she did last week. How she attacked me. You know. Like she went to Carolina Sunday, came over and attacked me on Tuesday. I was over there to talk, like this is outrageous. I mean, and, because I was trying to be better. Then like, you know. Then all of this happens. It’s to the point where my roommates has to take her out of there.

Investigator 1: Okay. Lets go back to you’re in her room tonight.

George Huguely: Last night. Yeah. And so she’s like in the corner. If her bed was pushed all the way back in the corner. And she, I’m pretty sure she was very defensive because she knew how sad I was because I’ve told her through emails how sad I was about what she did and about Tuesday night and coming in and striking me. And so I was like “Listen like, I want to talk to you, what you did was bullshit. That’s not like, okay.

Investigator 1: So you were pretty upset, pretty angry.

George Huguely: Um, yeah, I mean, I was more emotional than angry. [inaudible] She was like sorta pushing everything she did to the back burner and talking about, like try to put everything she did… wasn’t important. And we talked. She kept saying things like “well, I don’t trust you” stuff like that. It kept going to the point where I was like “Yeardley, we have to figure out what’s going on”, and she was like “I don’t want to talk about it” and she like pushed me like “get out of here” like “go” and I was like “no” like “we have to talk”.

Investigator 1: Where are you holding on her?

George Huguely: On her arms.

Investigator 1: Up here?

George Huguely: Like shoulders. Yeah like, Yeah. Never struck her, if I could like show you like.

Investigator 1: No, I’m sorry. [inaudible cross talk]

George Huguely: [inaudible] She was like wiggling and like hide in the corner, defensively almost. And then like wrestled on the ground the same way. Her nose started bleeding. Then she ended up back in bed. Then I left. I was like [inaudible]

Investigator 1:  How did she get back in bed?

George Huguely: Ummm… We were like wrestling and we stood up and I tossed her like pushed her onto the bed like “go to bed, I’ll talk to you later”. I didn’t like throw her. We were like standing at this point after we wrestled on the ground. She had like a bloody nose. Like “go to bed”.

Investigator 1: So you kinda like tossed her on the bed and left.

George Huguely: Yeah.

Investigator 1: Did you go back to check on her at any point?

George Huguely: No I did not.

Investigator 1: Did you touch her neck area at all? Choke her at one point?

George Huguely: Uh… I may have grabbed her a little bit by the neck but I never like, strangled her. Yeah I mean, during the whole commotion. I may have grabbed her neck but I was never like, strangling her.

Investigator 1: Alright, I have to check on something real quick, then I will be right back.

George Huguely: Mind if I use the restroom?

Investigator 1: Um, actually if I can have one second.

George Huguely: I’m sorry [inaudible] I had to take that call. I apologize [inaudible]. You said you got there at 12:45? Around that area.

Investigator 1: Why do you think it was that time?

George Huguely: Because I went to dinner 7:30 I think. Went to the bar for a little bit. That’s just my..

Investigator 1: Estimate. Did you call her to let her know you were coming or text her?

George Huguely: No because she says she lost her phone the night she came in my apartment. She says it’s in my apartment but it’s not. So she doesn’t have a phone so I did not call her or text her.

Investigator 1: How long do you think you were at her apartment when you were there?

George Huguely: Like between, around like 8 minutes. I mean like, 8-10 minutes.

Investigator 1: Was anybody else there? Just the two of you?

George Huguely: No. Her roommates weren’t there actually.

Investigator 1: Um, okay. When you left her apartment did you take anything with you?

George Huguely: No. She was in her bed.

Investigator 1: Alright. [inaudible] her laptop is missing I guess. Did you grab it when you were leaving?

George Huguely: Yeah I did actually.

Investigator 1: Is it at your apartment?

George Huguely: Somewhere at my apartment. I can give it to her.

Investigator 1: Why did you take her laptop?

George Huguely: Because I was so pissed that she wouldn’t talk to me. I took it almost as collateral I guess. It’s not reasonable logic. But, I don’t know.

Investigator 1: Did you take anything else besides her laptop?

George Huguely: No no.

Investigator 1: Alright. So when you left out of there you saw she was bleeding out her nose. Did you try to call rescue or anything to make sure she was alright?

George Huguely: No, I did not.

Investigator 1: Why?

George Huguely: Uh… I didn’t think it was like, I didn’t think she was like in need of going to the emergency room. She had like, a bloody

Investigator 1: Why did you think that?

George Huguely: I don’t know.

Investigator 1: [inaudible] and correct me if I’m wrong, when you were shaking her and her head was hitting the wall..

George Huguely: Well that was the beginning. Initially, like, she was up in the corner like [demonstrates], “get out of here” this.

Investigator 1: At anytime when you were shaking her, did her head bang the wall? You already said you didn’t hit her.

George Huguely: I mean I wasn’t like throwing her into the wall. We were sitting on the bed against the wall and I was like “Yeardley” like. I mean maybe? We were against the wall and she’s like sitting there in the corner. Like if we were like this and I was like “Yeardley” like “what the fuck was that about, like that was bullshit that you would do that.” Like possibly. I was like… such a bullshit move. [audible]

Investigator 1: She has a pretty good knot on her head. That’s why I’m asking. How you could explain how that would have happened.

George Huguely: I mean, I don’t even know. A knot?

Investigator 1: On the sided of her head, she’s been hit pretty good right there. So I’m just trying to figure out did you hit her with something?

George Huguely: No. I never. Never touched her or struck her or anything.

Investigator 1: Well you touched her. You had your hands on her.

George Huguely: I said I never struck her. Never never at all like [demonstrates]

Investigator 1: I’m trying to figure out why she has a black eye and why she’s got a big lump right there.

George Huguely: I mean, we… were… I mean. [crosstalk]

Investigator 1: So you don’t know how it happened.

George Huguely: So she’s got a black…

Investigator 1: It’s fine It’s fine. Um, So you. I’m going through this one more time and make sure we’re on the same page. You’re pretty pissed at her from a week ago for sending those text messages. Do you have those text messages where she said, as you said, “fucked” somebody?

George Huguely: I actually might have those, yeah.

Investigator 1: Alright, you got your phone with you? Let’s pull that out so we can see those.

George Huguely: They were like, guess what you would call, one of these, which is, like an ongoing conversation with instant message. [inaudible cross talk]

Investigator 1: [inaudible cross talk] [moves his phone to the middle of table]

George Huguely: I’m sure there’s emails that said she hooked up with somebody. I’m not lying about that.

Investigator 1: Do you own a home computer or laptop?

George Huguely: Yeah.

Investigator 1: Is that where all the emails are? Can you get to them on that? [gestures to phone]

George Huguely: Actually they’re deleted off here. I can get to them though.

Investigator 1: That’s fine. Um, so last week. You kinda broke up a while ago but are still talking. Last week you get pissed because she sends you that text so last night you went over there because you wanted to talk. So lets talk about how you..

George Huguely: Entered?

Investigator 1: Entered, yeah.

George Huguely: Yeah, I mean.

Investigator 1: Cause to put your fist through the door.

[cross talk]

George Huguely: Leg I’m pretty sure. [inaudible: he shows investigator his leg] kicked it

Investigator 1: You’re right it is your leg. How’d you get the bruises on your hand then?

George Huguely: This is all from lacrosse. This is all…

Investigator 1: That seems pretty fresh right there [gestures to his arm/hand]

George Huguely: This is all from lacrosse game on Saturday. You can see where my arm pads are. Right here, my gloves right here.

Investigator 1: Right there? I thought you wore those padded gloves?

George Huguely: [showing bruises on arms] This is all defense, this is all from lacrosse, one hundred percent. This is where my arm pads are, and my gloves end here. This is all tanned because that’s where gets sun, compared to like my legs [shows leg] the difference in color and that’s, I got whacked. I remember one hundred percent. Got whacked when I was trying to [inaudible: kill the clock?]

Investigator 1: When you had her and shaking her did she scratch you in anyway?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: No? She’s a little girl, she’s tiny.

George Huguely: No. She didn’t scratch me.

Investigator 1: Hit you or anything like that?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: Okay, so you kick in the door.

George Huguely: [inaudible] that’s how I got in, yeah, yeah, and I stuck my arm through and unlocked it. And then in there. [inaudible]

Investigator 1: What was she saying while you were kicking the door? Did you just go straight kick or did you knock first?

George Huguely: No, I knocked first. I was like “Yeardley, let me in”. And I think she said something like, that was like, I remember, that was like, I just don’t remember exactly what, I remember her saying something or whispering some shit or like, I don’t know. And I was like, Alright well. She knew, because I sent her emails. Like six emails that were like “we need to talk, I’m coming over to talk to you” and like, and she actually did respond to those. Actually [inaudible] she was like “fuck you, I’m not talking to you” like something along those lines.

Investigator 1: Alright. How much have you had to drink tonight? Or last night?

George Huguely: Um, I had probably four or five beers on the golf course [cross talk] that was earlier in the day. And I had two glasses of wine at dinner, and like three more beers afterwards. And like, four, three, afterwards I probably, after dinner I probably had like five beers combined.

Investigator 1: Okay, um, Did you smoke any weed? Any other drugs?

George Huguely: No No.

Investigator 1: What were you wearing last night?

George Huguely: I was wearing shorts and a tee shirt.

Investigator 1: That?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: What did the shorts and tee shirt look like?

George Huguely: They are on the floor in my room. They are cargo shorts and a tee shirt.

Investigator 1: Okay. What color are the cargo shorts?

George Huguely: Blue.

Investigator 1: And the tee shirt?

George Huguely: I think white. Yeah, uh, a white tee shirt.

Investigator 1: Alright. We been through what all happened. When did you leave? Right after you went out the front door?

George Huguely: Yeah.

Investigator 1: Where did you go?

George Huguely: Home.

Investigator 1: Straight home?

George Huguely: Yeah.

Investigator 1: Talk to anybody?

George Huguely: No

Investigator 1: Call anybody?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: Call, you said she doesn’t have a phone.

George Huguely: No, she does not have a phone.

Investigator 1: Her phone at your house?

George Huguely: I believe, everybody looked for her phone, my roommate’s girlfriend looked for her phone, we have not, it’s not at our apartment.

Investigator 1: Okay. But you picked up her computer on the way out of her apartment.

George Huguely: Yeah.

Investigator 1: Anything else?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: Where are we going to find that computer at?

George Huguely: The computer is at… the dumpster maybe.

Investigator 1: So you threw her computer in the dumpster?

George Huguely: The one right by 14th street. Wait no no, not the one by 14th street. It is the one right by the point.

Investigator 1: By the point?

George Huguely: Theres an apartment complex[inaudible: investigator 2 exiting door] On the way home I just tossed it in there. [inaudible] that’s where the computer is.

Investigator 1: Did you toss anything else in there?

George Huguely: No no no.

Investigator 1: So what did you do when you got home?

George Huguely: I just went to bed.

Investigator 1: Anybody else home?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: Then you just went to bed? [cross talk] Didn’t take a shower or anything like that?

George Huguely: Nah.

Investigator 1: Did you happen to look at the clock before you laid down?

George Huguely:  Nah, I did not. I mean I’m sorry. [inaudible]

Investigator 1: Right, right. Okay. [inaudible] take you to the bathroom right quick. You want to take him to the bathroom?

Investigator 2: Not yet.

Investigator 1: Not yet.

[investigators talking inaudible] [investigators leave room]

Investigator 1: Okay, yeah, Okay yeah. He’s got some questions for ya.

Investigator 2: [inaudible] I know we touched about what happened last night but sum it up for me. Lead up to it for me, how did you guys break up exactly?

George Huguely: Well we are, not, [inaudible] and I’m going, well she wants to move to New York and I’m not exactly sure what I’m doing yet but [inaudible] San Francisco. And um so we’ve been like talking about this. Found a text message in my phone from another girl and we broke up because of that. So like, an ongoing type deal.

Investigator 2: [inaudible] that you mention putting your hands around her neck and holding her back that way. Is that another reason you broke up? Arguments, any past physical violence?

George Huguely: Um, that happened

Investigator 2: Keep in mind, before we talked to you we’ve talked to other people.

George Huguely: No, I understand that. I mean, that night that she found the text messages in my phone, I was more drunk than I probably have ever been. And she did the same thing like yelling at me and hitting me and I’m drunk. And I actually laid on her, like detained on her kind of, and she ended up leaving but that happened that night.

Investigator 2: How did you detain her?

George Huguely: I mean, sir, like that night I was

Investigator 2: Did you get off of her yourself or did other people have to get you off of her?

George Huguely: Uh, I, I really don’t remember that night…at all.

Investigator 2: [inaudible] choked her a little bit?

George Huguely: Nah, I don’t think I choked her. She never said I choked her. She said I laid on her and held her.

Investigator 2: How did you lay down on her?

George Huguely: She said I literally like laid on her.

Investigator 2: Was she face down or face up?

George Huguely: I don’t even know. Like, we’ve hung out since that night. A bunch of times. Like actually, probably a dozen times since that night and we haven’t really talked about that. But since that night, like she’s never said that like I was choking her or anything. She said I literally like laid on her and like

Investigator 2: Shes about what? 105-110 lbs soaking wet? You’re almost double her size.

George Huguely: Yeah. Probably.

Investigator 2: What? you don’t think would maybe be enough to take the breathe out of her if you’re laying down on top of her?

George Huguely: I mean, I never thought about it like that. I never like hurt, never like hurt her.

Investigator 2: We never mentioned anything about [inaudible] her in the face and you constantly [inaudible] didn’t punch her in the face. We haven’t even asked you that question. [crosstalk] smack her like “snap out of it?”.

George Huguely: No no. I did not. I never. I’m in here for assault charges that’s why I assumed

Investigator 2: No, I never told you you had any warrants on you. I said you were detained.

George Huguely: I know but someone said “you’re here for an assault investigation”.

Investigator 2: Have you ever threatened any harm to her?

George Huguely: No, no.

Investigator 2: Why’d you take her computer?

George Huguely: I don’t know

Investigator 2: Maybe because there’s evidence on the computer of emails you sent?

George Huguely: No. You can find, you can read all of the emails back and forth. Like.

Investigator 2: Theres not threats or anything on the computer [inaudible] forensically. [inaudible] “Hey I found out you’re cheating on me”, nothing like that?

George Huguely: No, No, nothing, nothing.

Investigator 2: Why’d you take that computer then?

George Huguely: I, you could look at my computer and see emails that are on my computer that are on her computer. Emails are [inaudible] It’s not like her email account is erased because I took her computer. I have no idea why I took the computer. Probably because she was like not talking to me, and not like, she’s did like all this stuff and I just walked out of there with her computer.

Investigator 2: Why would this little girl just for no reason start attacking you out of the blue?

George Huguely: You could ask my friends I was with that night

Investigator 2: [inaudible crosstalk] yeah that night.

George Huguely: Um, you can, I wish, I have four, three eye witnesses for that one. She walked in and started punching me in the face, hitting me with her purse, hitting me with her cellphone. And literally when I stood up and backed away it was like, to the other, “you got to stop, get away from me, get away from me” she came, she kept coming back for more.

Investigator 2: [inaudible]

George Huguely: No, sir. I’m not lying. Like, you can look through all the emails.

[crosstalk]

Investigator 2: So [inaudible: why the heck?] would you break that door down?

George Huguely: Because I wanted to, I said it

Investigator 2: It’s more than that man, that’s rage, the way that door is kicked in. That was pure rage. You must have been seriously mad.

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: You’ve told us everything else

[cross talk]

George Huguely: I’ve told you guys everything, I’m not hiding anything. I’ve told you everything.

Investigator 2: Then why kick the door in? That’s just pure rage.

George Huguely: I wanted to talk to her, I wanted to talk to her, I wanted to talk to her.

Investigator 1: Have you always been that way with her? As far as if she didn’t want to do something it was kind of your way or the highway type of thing?

George Huguely: No, no.

Investigator 2: [inaudible] I understand you had a lot of alcohol in you last night, okay? Do you think that maybe could have lead you to, why you, fed your emotions to kick in that door?

George Huguely: That that may have have have made me rationalize kicking in the door to open it up. But it was all strictly to go in there and talk to her. I wanted to talk to her. I told her, I sent emails, you can see the emails, you can see everything. Said “we need to talk about this”, I sent like three emails like “I want to come talk to you” then like “fuck yourself”. I should not have gone over there when like, when I was drinking. But like that, that made me emotional so I wanted to go talk to her. That’s why I kicked to the door. That’s why I wanted to talk to her.

Investigator 2: I know you mentioned you fell on her a week ago, right? When you were laying on her.

George Huguely: That was, that was

Investigator 2: a month ago

George Huguely: a month ago

Investigator 2: When you detained her, right? Did you detain [inaudible] at all?

George Huguely: No

Investigator 2: Did you fall down on top of her wrestling?

George Huguely: We were wrestling on the ground for a little bit.

Investigator 2: Did you wrestle on the bed at all?

George Huguely: Nah, nah, never like, nah, never like. Maybe I shook her?

Investigator 2: No I mean like hold her down until she calmed down a bit?

George Huguely: No, if anything [crosstalk]

Investigator 2: I’m sure you didn’t want to hurt her. That way if you were restraining her [inaudible] she wouldn’t be able to hurt herself as much.

George Huguely: I never laid on her or any of that. Like, when we were on the floor, when her nose started bleeding, like wrestled around, that’s when her nose started bleeding.

Investigator 2: Was it pretty noisy when you guys were wrestling around?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1:  Was she screaming?

George Huguely: No. No. No. She was, no. She was not screaming, actually.

Investigator 2: If I’m cracking my head in the wall, I’m going to be saying ow.

George Huguely: Yeah. No, she was not screaming. She should have been. Probably, I mean maybe, I don’t know.

Investigator 1: Why do you think she should have been?

George Huguely: I don’t know. I mean, well, she was screaming when I first ,like, came in the room. She was like “no, I’m not talking to you. Get the fuck out of here” and all that. But like, that was it.

Investigator 1: When um, at any point before you said you, and this was your words, you tossed her on the bed and then you left.

George Huguely: Yeah

Investigator 1: At any point before that, did she lose consciousness?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: Okay. What happened after you tossed her on the bed? Did she move? Talk about, say something?

George Huguely: I mean, I literally tossed her on the bed and turned around…

Investigator 1: Tossed her on the bed or tossed her on the floor?

George Huguely: On the bed and walked out the door.

Investigator 1: Did she have on, did she still have her tee-shirt on at that point?

George Huguely: Uh, yeah. Uh. She, yeah, I mean she never, she only had her tee shirt on the entire time. She never had, she never was not, unclothed.

Investigator 1: So you didn’t sexually assault her or anything?

George Huguely: No, no no no, no!

Investigator 1:  Okay. I have to ask.

George Huguely: I’m sorry I’m sorry [inaudible] I apologize.

Investigator 1: When you tossed her on her bed was she on her back or her stomach?

George Huguely: I mean, I think she was on her back I’m not sure. I mean I was like, you know

Investigator 1: I asked you earlier about the light. ‘Cause if shes kinda in bed maybe the lights were off. Where the lights on? Did you turn them on?

George Huguely: The lights were..

Investigator 1: For you to be able to see?

George Huguely: The lights were not on.

Investigator 1: How did you see the blood and stuff coming out her nose?

George Huguely: Because she has a big bay window by her room and there’s lights from the parking lot. And I mean, it’s not hard, it’s easy to see.

Investigator 1: Okay, so when you toss her back on the bed she’s bleeding. You said she was bleeding out her nose and you didn’t feel you needed to call rescue?

George Huguely: No.

Investigator 1: After banging her head, and shaking her and blood coming out of her nose on the floor?

George Huguely: No, I mean…

Investigator 1: Let me ask you this, did you um, and you’ve been honest so far so there’s really no reason for you not to, to lie about anything, when you left out of there were you kinda like “you got what you deserved” and that’s why you didn’t call 911?

George Huguely: No, no no no no. It wasn’t about that for me. It was about going to talk to her. It was nothing about…

Investigator 1: You miss anything you want to ask him about right now?

George Huguely: There’s nothing about going to get anything, or going, you know. I don’t know. I took the computer and that was irrational but that was like my collateral if you could look at it like that, that’s where my logic was at.

Investigator 1: Well I have to tell you something.

Investigator 2: I think I know why you took that computer.

George Huguely: Cause why, do you think?

Investigator 1: [Inaudible to investigator 2] She’s dead. You killed her George. You killed her.

George Huguely: She’s dead?

Investigator 1: I think you knew that already.

George Huguely: No, I did not. She’s dead? How the fuck is she dead?

Investigator 1: Because you killed her.

George Huguely: How the fuck is she dead?

Investigator 1: ‘Cause you killed her George.

George Huguely: Oh my god.

Investigator 2: We’re not here for any reason, George.

George Huguely: [Head down pulling hair] She’s dead?

Investigator 1: Yes.

George Huguely: She’s dead?

Investigator 1: Yes.

George Huguely: She’s dead?

Investigator 1: She’s dead.

George Huguely: How? How?

Investigator 1: I already told you how and you already told us how as well.

George Huguely: How is she dead?

Investigator 1: You just told us.

George Huguely: How is she dead? How is she dead? I didn’t strangle her, I didn’t do any, I didn’t fucking  hit her. [whispers “how the fuck is she dead”] I don’t even know. I don’t. She’s dead?

Investigator 2: Yes.

George Huguely: How the fuck is she dead? Oh my god.

Investigator 2: We’re serious George. That’s why you took the computer, isn’t it?

George Huguely: No!

Investigator 2: Because you had threats to kill her on that from a past email because she hooked up with a player from UNC.

George Huguely: I never, I said that, I never, that was just like the heat of the moment, it was heat of the moment.

Investigator 2: Last night was heat of the moment too, wasn’t it? You went in there to talk with her and it got out of control. Right George? The alcohol got ahold of you? You kicked in her door, she started to fight with you, you punched her in the head or you cracked her head in the window or in the wall.

George Huguely: She’s not dead, She’s not dead.

Investigator 2: She is, I aint B.S.ing you. Right now it’s serious.

George Huguely: I want to see, I want to see her. She’s not dead.

Investigator 1: George, She. Is. Dead.

Investigator 2: You’re not here to dance with us. You’re here because she’s dead. The alcohol has…

George Huguely: I don’t believe it, I don’t believe it. I didn’t, I didn’t, I didn’t, I didn’t hurt her.

Investigator 2: Listen to me, listen to me, listen to me. You probably didn’t mean to hurt her.

George Huguely: I didn’t hurt her.

Investigator 2: You went in there, you kicked the door, she got a little feisty, you either punched her or smacked her head into the concrete and then you held her down under a pillow because that’s…

George Huguely: I didn’t hold her under a pillow I was never on the bed.

Investigator 2: Okay then.

George Huguely: I never held her down, I never,  I never suffocated her, I never did anything. I don’t believe that she’s dead. [cross talk] I don’t believe that she’s dead. I don’t believe that she’s dead.

Investigator 2: Did you punch her did you…

George Huguely: How, there’s no way that she’s dead. She’s not dead. I never did anything [inaudible] that she could be dead.

Investigator 2: Listen to me listen to me, listen to me. Did you punch her or..

George Huguely: No. I never, I never, No.

Investigator 2: Did you hold her head into the wall? Did you crack it?

George Huguely: No. Is her head cracked?!

Investigator 2: Did you smack her head into the wall?

George Huguely: No, she’s not dead, she’s not dead. You guys said she had a black eye and a bump on her head.

Investigator 1: She has those things.

George Huguely: But she’s, she’s, she’s not dead. I didn’t, I didn’t, I didn’t, I did not.

Investigator 1: Let’s calm down.

George Huguely: I did not like hurt her. Like, She’s not dead.

Investigator 1: Calm down there, George, okay?

George Huguely: Tell me she’s not dead. Tell me she’s not dead. Tell me she’s not dead.

Investigator 1: I want you to calm down right now, okay?

George Huguely: I don’t believe it, I don’t believe it. I never did anything that could do that to her.

Investigator 1: Let’s calm down, okay

George Huguely: I never did anything that could do this to her I swear to God. Never did anything that could do that to her. I never, no. I refuse to believe that she’s dead. There’s no way that anything that happened last night could kill her.

Investigator 2: Okay. Well, just out of protocol I need you to stand up for me and put your hands behind your back.

George Huguely: [stands up and puts arms behind back, handcuffs put on]

Investigator 1: Relax

Investigator 2: Relax, it will be fine.

George Huguely: Tell me she’s not dead, tell me she’s not dead, no, please. Will you tell me she’s not dead?

Investigator 1: Relax

George Huguely: Please will you tell me she’s not dead?

Investigator 1: You know what, I wish I could tell you that George. Twenty two years old. Twenty two and her life is done.

George Huguely: Oh my god. Kill me.

Investigator 2: [inaudible]

George Huguely: [inaudible] anything that could do that.  I did not do anything that could have killed her.

Investigator 1: You do realize you are under arrest?

George Huguely: I realize that.

Investigator 1: Alright. We’re going to contact the commonwealth attorney on the proper charge but it’s going to be related to her death.

George Huguely: She’s dead? How? There’s no way. Oh my god. There’s no way she would be dead. There’s no way, oh my God, there’s no way. There’s no way, there’s no way, there’s no way. I don’t believe it.

Investigator 2: It’s true.

George Huguely: I don’t believe it. How?

Investigator 2: Help us understand what happened last night, George. Start over from the beginning.

George Huguely: I’m not lying to you. Everything I said to you was so true. I’m not lying to you about anything.

Investigator 2: She had a tee shirt on?

George Huguely: Yeah. I am most confident I think, I’m pretty sure, yeah. Was her tee-shirt not on when…

Investigator 1: We’re not going to tell you that

[cross talk]

Investigator 2: Help us understand what happened last night, George. Go over it again.

George Huguely: I told you everything. I told you everything. I, I, I don’t, I don’t even believe it yet. I do not believe it. I do not believe it. I don’t believe it.

Investigator 2: Okay.

Investigator 1: Just a second [stands up and leaves]

George Huguely: But there’s no way. There’s no way sir. Sir,  there’s no way she’s dead. There’s no way. There’s no way, there’s no way.

Investigator 2: It’s true, George.

George Huguely: How? How? [inaudible] There’s no. There’s no way. There’s no way she could be dead.

Investigator 2: Why do you think you’re sitting here in hand cuffs?

George Huguely: For, for, for, maybe what you guys said were assault charges?

Investigator 2: She’s dead, I’m not lying to you.

George Huguely: You would have said murder charges if you were lying, if you were honest you would have said murder charges.

Investigator 2: She was assaulted.

George Huguely: You would have said murder charges.

Investigator 2: That resulted in her death.

George Huguely: You would have said I murdered her. You would have said I murdered. Did she die this morning? Afterwards?

Investigator 2:  I can’t tell you that.

George Huguely: I know but listen I didn’t murder her [stomps foot] I didn’t murder her. I didn’t. I know she’s not dead. I know she’s not dead, I know she’s not dead, I know she’s not dead, I know she’s not dead. There’s no way she’s dead.

Investigator 2: Calm down, George.

George Huguely: There’s no way she’s dead. There’s no way. There can’t be any way she’s dead from any, there can’t be any way she’s dead. I’m telling you, there’s no way she’s dead. You have to be lying to me. Tell me you’re lying to me, tell me you’re lying to me, tell me you’re lying to me. How’s she dead?

Investigator 2: I’m not lying to you.

George Huguely: How is she dead? How is she dead? How? What did she die from?

Investigator 2: Well, we’re going to find out.

George Huguely: What did she die from?

Investigator 2: We’re going to find out. I can’t make that determination.

George Huguely: Sir, Sir…

Investigator 2: Either head trauma or asphyxiation.

George Huguely: There was no asphyxiation.

Investigator 1: Okay.

George Huguely: Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

Investigator 2: And I know you told me the truth but I think there are some part you’re leaving out.

George Huguely: Nah, sir.

Investigator 2: How did she get all of that head trauma?

George Huguely: From banging.

Investigator 2: I don’t believe that. I don’t believe she banged her own head in the wall.

George Huguely: When we were wrestling, I don’t believe she’s dead. I don’t believe she’s dead. There’s no way she’s dead. There’s no way she’s dead. She has to be alive, she has to be alive, she has to. There’s no way. She wasn’t. There’s no way. There’s no way. The last I saw her she was not dead, she was not dead. [inaudible]

Investigator 2: What was she doing the last time you saw her?

George Huguely: She was like, she was like standing up with me. She was standing up with me. She was standing up with me, looking at me.

Investigator 2: Was she standing or were you holding her?

George Huguely: She was standing up looking at me. I don’t believe it, I do not believe it. I don’t believe it, I don’t believe it. Sir, I don’t believe it. Sir, Sir, please tell me you’re lying.

Investigator 2: I’m not lying. She’s dead.

George Huguely: How is she dead? How? How? How?

Investigator 2: That’s what I wanted you to clarify.

George Huguely: How? How?

Investigator 2: You know how.

George Huguely: No, I didn’t know. No, no, no. No, I didn’t know. No, no, no.

Investigator 2:  Why didn’t you know?

George Huguely: She’s not dead, she’s not dead. She’s not dead, I know she’s not dead. [cries with head down, inaudible cries]

Investigator 2: I know it got out of control last night, George.

George Huguely: She’s not dead. She’s not dead. She’s not dead. I know one hundred [inaudible crying] I didn’t [inaudible crying] She can not be dead. You’re not lying to me either, are you? You’re not lying to me. She’s dead? Oh my God.

Investigator 2: I know it got out of hand, George.

George Huguely: It didn’t, it didn’t, it didn’t, it didn’t, it didn’t, it didn’t, it did not, it didn’t, it didn’t, I…

Investigator 2: Then what happened?

George Huguely: I didn’t kill her. I did not kill her. I did not kill her. I did not. I did not. I did not kill her.

Investigator 2: Did you smack her head one time too hard?

George Huguely: I never hit her, no. [inaudible] on the ground.

Investigator 2: Did you smack her head then lay her on the bed so she could kind of relax?

George Huguely: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Investigator 2: Well you didn’t punch her because I don’t think you would have done that.

George Huguely: No, no, no, no. I still do not believe it. Sir, I don’t believe it, I don’t believe it, I don’t believe it. You came in and said you were filing an assault charge and that makes sense but that doesn’t even make sense. That doesn’t even make sense.

Investigator 2: She was assaulted and she died.

George Huguely: No way, no way, no way, no way, no way.

Investigator 2: And you were there, this happened while you were there. This is the time to man up, George. Tell me what happened.

George Huguely: I told you what happened, I told you what happened, I told you what happened.

Investigator 2: Then what happened again?

George Huguely: I told you what happened, I told you what happened.

Investigator 1: It got out of control.

George Huguely: It didn’t. I told you what happened. It didn’t get out of control. She’s not dead, she’s not dead, she’s not dead. There’s no way she’s dead. There’s no way! I didn’t do! No way! There’s no way!