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Daniel Hernandez (6ix 9ine) Partial Testimony Transcript

 

6ix 9ineDaniel Hernandez is a rap artist who goes by the names 6ix 9ine and Tekashi69. On November 18th, 2018, Hernandez and four associates were arrested and charged with RICO and firearms charges which could have led to a sentence of life in prison. In February, as part of a plea deal that may allow Hernandez to avoid jail time if he testifies against fellow gang members, he pled guilty to 9 charges. These charges included one count of racketeering, four counts of firearm charges, two counts of assault with a dangerous weapon, one count of attempted murder, and one count of conspiracy to distribute one kilogram or more of heroin. One of the associates Hernandez is testifying against, Anthony (Harv) Ellison, had robbed Hernandez at gun point of several hundred thousand dollars’ worth of jewelry, kidnapped, and beaten him a week prior to his arrest.  The following is a small portion of his testimony transcription. More will be added as it is released.

Daniel Hernandez Partial Testimony Transcript

Daniel Hernandez: D-A-N-I-E-L space H-E-R-N-A-N-D-E-Z

Judge: Alright, good afternoon. I’ll ask you please keep your voice up and speak slowly for the benefit of everybody in the court room. Counsel, you may inquire.

Lawyer 1: Thank you, your honor.  Good Afternoon, Mr. Hernandez.

Daniel Hernandez: Thank you.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, how old are you?

Daniel Hernandez: 23.

Lawyer 1: Do you go by any other names?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: What are those names?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, Tekashi, Tekashi Six Nine, um, [inaudible]. Yeah.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, where were you born?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, [inaudible] Brooklyn.

Lawyer 1: How far did you go in school?

Daniel Hernandez: About the tenth, uh, eleventh grade. Something like that.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, are you currently in federal custody?

Daniel Hernandez:  Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: Approximately when did you start living in federal custody?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, about, no, um, November 18th, 2018.

Lawyer 1: What were you arrested for?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, racketeering charges, um, you know, violent crimes; shootings, uh, drug distribution.

Lawyer 1: At some point did you decide to cooperate with the government?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: When did that happen?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, a day after, um, November 19th, the day after, uh, we, we was taken down.

Lawyer 1: In connection with your cooperation have you pleaded guilty to certain crimes?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: What crimes did you plea guilty to?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, I believe it was nine counts of racketeering, um, shootings, uh, and, and drug distribution.

Lawyer 1: And you listed racketeering as one of the crimes in which you pleaded guilty, were you a member of any gang?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: What was the name of the gang you were a member of?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, the Nine Trey Bloods, Nine Trey [inaudible].

Lawyer 1: Approximately when did you become a member?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, around, uh, I would say November of 2017.

Lawyer 1: What sorts of things did Nine Trey members do?

Daniel Hernandez: I’m sorry?

Lawyer 1: What sorts of things did Nine Trey members do?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, we participated in a lot of, uh, you know, violent crimes. Um, robberies, assaults, uh, drugs. Sorts of that nature.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, do you recognize anyone in the court room who was a member of Nine Trey when you were a member?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: Who do you recognize? And if you could identify that person, uh, could you identify where they are sitting at or an article of clothing that that person may be wearing?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, Harv, Anthony Ellison has a grey suit. Um, and uh Nuke, Aljermiah Mach, has the brown suit on with the white thing on his head.

Lawyer 1: Your honor, could the record reflect that the witness identified Mr.Mack and Mr. Ellison?

Judge: Yes, the record reflects that Mr. um, um, Hernandez in sequence identified Mr. Ellison and then Mr. Mack.

Lawyer 1: Thank you, your honor. Now, Mr. Hernandez, now we will turn back to Nine Trey in a minute. Before we do, I would like to ask you some questions about your life before Nine Trey. Where did you grow up?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, I was raised and lived, uh [inaudible] Brooklyn.

Lawyer 1: Where did you go to school?

Daniel Hernandez: Um, for elementary I went to PS59, uh middle school [inaudible] and uh, high school for the time being I went to Legacy High School. Legacy. Yeah. Legacy High School.

Lawyer 1: Did you work?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: What did you do?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, started working at, I want to say, the age of thirteen. Uh, my first job was at the Green Point Youth Court. It’s a job that handles like, misdemeanor cases for youth. Um, where the youth acts in like a band of judge, jury, youth advocate, community advocate, that type of thing. I did that about for two months, uh, no, no.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, I’m going to cut you off. I think you are, uh, speaking so close to the mic that you’re blurring some of words. If you move back a tiny bit from the mic but keep your voice up and speak slowly. Thank you.

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, so I did that for about a year. Um, I didn’t make a lot of money doing that, so I started working with my brother. Uh, bussing tables. I did that for about a year and a half. Then I got at a job at grocery store named “Stay Fresh and Grill”. Worked as a delivery boy. I did that about two years. Uh, I worked up to register. Shortly after that, I landed another bus boy job and then after that became a rapper.

Lawyer 1: So, you said that you started a music career, is that right?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: Approximately when did that happen?

Daniel Hernandez: Let’s say around 2014. Uh…

Lawyer 1: And how did it come about?

Daniel Hernandez: Well, at the store I was working in, Stay Fresh and Grill, uh, it was a guy under the name Peter Rodger, always coming in there buying a tea and a tilapia, some peanuts, stuff like that. He asked me, uh, if I, if I make music and if I rap. Uh, and I was like “no” and he was like “you got the image for it, you look, you look cool”. I was like, you know, I took that into consideration. Then we started making music from the, from the deli.

Lawyer 1: And again, this is around 2014?

Daniel Hernandez:  Yes sir, like late 2014. Like September.

Lawyer 1: So, when you started making music around 2014, what type of music were you making?

Daniel Hernandez: It was more of like a rock ‘n’ roll, uh, rap.

Lawyer 1: Approximately how many records or songs did you release?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, eight I believe. I believe around eight.

Lawyer 1: Did you go on any tours?

Daniel Hernandez: Yeah.

Lawyer 1: Where did you tour?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, Eastern Europe. Um, I toured in um, Bratislava, Slovakia, Bratislava, Slovakia. Uh, Prague, Czech Republic, Brno Czech Republic, uh, St. Petersburg Russia and uh Moscow.

Lawyer 1: Were you making any money at this time as a, as a metal rap performer?

Daniel Hernandez: Um, I mean for all those shows I made about like $2000 profit. I, I did it just for the experience.

Lawyer 1: Now, Mr. Hernandez, did there come a time when the type of music you recorded change?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: Approximately when did that happen?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, around, uh, it changed, in September 2017.

Lawyer 1: Now, directing your attention to September 2017, did there come a time when you filmed a music video in Brooklyn?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: Where in Brooklyn?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, Bedford-Stuyvesant Brooklyn, um, on Madison between uh, Tompkins Avenue and Troop.

Lawyer 1: Do you remember the address?

Daniel Hernandez: I believe, want to say it was 370 Madison.

Lawyer 1:  370?

Daniel Hernandez: 370.

Lawyer 1: Mrs. Horney, Can we please pull up for the witness what’s been marked for identification as government exhibit 202? Mr. Hernandez, do you see government exhibit 202?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: What is that?

Daniel Hernandez: 370 Madison.

Lawyer 1: Is that a photograph of 370 Madison?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: Fairly and accurately depict how 370 Madison looked?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: Your honor, government offers government exhibit 202.

Judge: Any objection?

Lawyer 2: None, your honor.

[cross talk]

Judge: Proceed.

Lawyer 1: May we publish it, your honor?

Judge: Yes.

Lawyer 1: So, you filmed the music video in front of 370 Madison?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: What was the name of that song?

Daniel Hernandez: Gummo. Gummo. G-U-M-M-O.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, how did the filming of Gummo come about?

Daniel Hernandez: Um, around August of 2017 I made the song Gummo.

[missing portion]

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, I’m going to ask you some questions about the lyrics of Gummo, uh, beginning with the first line in reference to the word “blicky”. What’s a “blicky”?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, “blicky” is another word for a gun.

Lawyer 1: And in the second line there’s a phrase in the middle, “drum, it holds 50”, what is that in reference to?

Daniel Hernandez: A drum is an attachment you add to a gun. Carries an, uh, extra clips. Bullets.

Lawyer 1: Turning to the next stanza, the second line of the second stanza. Uh, there’s a line there “in the hood with them billy n-word, and them hoover n-word”, what is that in reference to?

Daniel Hernandez: Just me stating who, um, I’m around.

Lawyer 1: And, and what is “Billy”?

Daniel Hernandez: Billy is Nine Trey.

Lawyer 1: And Hoover?

Daniel Hernandez: Hoover is it’s own set. Like, their own thing.

Lawyer 1: And the last line, “No KB, you’re a loser n-word, up that Uzi n-word”, what is that in reference, who, first of all, what is KB?

Daniel Hernandez: KB is a, is a, uh, was like a body guard for, uh, another rapper named Trippy Red. So I stated “No, KB”, like if you didn’t have KB you would lose an n-word. “Up that Uzi” n-word. Uzi is another rapper that was related, that, uh, people compared to Trippy Red so I said if you don’t have KB watching over you, you will lose somebody and I’ll up the Uzi. It, I don’t know, I thought it was cool at the time.

Lawyer 1: Well, Mr. Hernandez, what was, what is Gummo about, generally speaking?

Daniel Hernandez: It’s, uh, it was actually a, a, a diss song. A diss song is like uh, something, how do I say, its a song towards, like,  someone I didn’t get along with. Best way I can describe it.

Lawyer 1: And who was the diss song aimed at?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, Trippy Red.

Lawyer 1: Why?

Daniel Hernandez: Me and him were signed to the same label, um, around, around 2017 when I signed my first deal. Me and Trippy Red were signed to the same label. Uh, he signed first. I then signed right after. There was a lot of jealousy involved. Um, a lot of arguments back and forth on social media. So, I made the song in, in, in the midst of the situation.

Lawyer 1: Did you have an understanding of whether or not Trippy Red was affiliated with a gang?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: And what gang was that?

Daniel Hernandez: He, he, he, uh, I think he was, say, he was part of five nine brim.

Lawyer 1: What’s five nine brim?

Daniel Hernandez: It’s another blood set.

Lawyer 1: Is that a rival set to Nine Trey?

Daniel Hernandez: Um, I mean it became another rival at the time.

Lawyer 1: So, um, okay, we can take down 60-17. So, Mr. Hernandez, after you had filmed Gummo, did there come a point, did there come a point in time where Gummo was released on the internet?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: What happened after Gummo was released on the internet?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, I think we released Gummo in about, in about October. Around October. Uh, Gummo became an instant, an instant sensation. It was a sensation. It went viral. Viral meaning people shared it. Uh, people, you know, came to like the video “Gummo”. They liked the song. So it was instant success I would say.

Lawyer 1: After the release of Gummo, did you have any other conversations with either Seiko or Shotti about doing another video?

Daniel Hernandez: Yeah.

Lawyer 1: About, about filming another video.

Daniel Hernandez: Um, yeah. So, so when I released Gummo I was in Los Angles. Uh, I wasn’t authorized to release the video with, with the label. Uh, so, I just put it out anyway. I just threw it up on YouTube and just said “whatever happens, happens.” When I uploaded the video and it was such, like, a lot of people was showing attention to it. Uh, Shotti actually called Seiko and said, uh, quote “this little nigga knows what he’s doing, um, I thought all that rainbow hair shit was um, you know, he was buggin’ for that but he knows what he’s doing. Tell him to stay in touch.”

Lawyer 1: What happened?

Daniel Hernandez: I stayed in touch.

Lawyer 1: Did there come a time where you, where you made another video?

Daniel Hernandez: Yeah, about a month after uh, we uh, we filmed Kooda. Um…

Lawyer 1: And so, and so how did the filming of Kooda come about? And I’m sorry, could you spell Kooda for the court reporter?

Daniel Hernandez: Kooda. K-O-O-D-A.

Lawyer 1: How did Kooda come about?

Daniel Hernandez: Well, after, after uh, after we shot Gummo um, I knew I had a formula. I knew the formula was, uh, to repeat it. You know what I’m saying? Uh…

Lawyer 1: To repeat what?

Daniel Hernandez: To repeat the, the, the gang, uh, how, what’s the word for it, the gang, um…image, I would say. Like, like promote it? You know what I’m saying? That’s what people liked so it was like, um… It was just a formula, a blueprint I found that worked. So, I told Shotti “I want to film”. At this time after Gummo came out. Not to skip over a lot of stuff, we became very close. So, I would hang out at 370 Madison a lot. Hang out with him, um, and uh, I asked him to, um, if, if it was a good idea to film Kooda. And uh, we started filming Kooda.

Lawyer 1: At approximately when, in relation to when Gummo was released, when did you film…

Daniel Hernandez: I would say late October, early November.

Lawyer 1: How did you come up with the name “Kooda”.

Daniel Hernandez: Kooda is actually a, um, another rapper. Before I changed my style of rap, I was into this kid named Kooda. Um, I always thought his, he was a talented kid. I actually liked him a lot, so I named my song after him.

Lawyer 1: Now, Ms. Horney, if we could please show for the witness what’s been marked for identification as government exhibit 23. Mr. Hernandez, what is government exhibit 23?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, it’s Kooda.

Lawyer 1: A picture of Kooda?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: Fairly and accurately depicted what he looked like?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1:  Your honor, government offers government exhibits 23 and 23a.

Lawyer 2: No objections.

Judge: Received.

Lawyer 1: May we publish government exhibit 23?

Judge: Yes.

Lawyer 1: Thank you, Ms. Horney. Now, Mr. Hernandez, where was, uh, where was Kooda filmed?

Daniel Hernandez: Kooda was, Kooda was filmed um, in Brooklyn. Um, in the intersection of Fulton Avenue and Utica, I believe. Um, yeah. In like Crime Heights, Brooklyn.

Lawyer 1: Is there a housing development that’s around Utica and Fulton?

Daniel Hernandez: Yeah, uh, Smurf, Smurf Village.

Lawyer 1:  Does Smurf Village have any relationship to Nine Trey?

Daniel Hernandez: It’s, there’s Nine Trey members who live there.

Lawyer 1: Now, Mr. Hernandez, if you could turn, there’s a CD in front of you marked government exhibit 609. Ms. Horney, if we could open up just the opening frame. Prior to testimony did you review the contents of government exhibit 609?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: What is, what is on 609?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, video of Kooda.

Lawyer 1: Is it all of Kooda or a portion?

Daniel Hernandez: A portion.

Lawyer 1:  And also, if you could please, Ms. Horney, pull up government exhibit 609 T. Do you see 609 T in front of you?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: And what’s 609 T?

Daniel Hernandez: It’s the beginning of Kooda.

Lawyer 1: The lyrics?

Daniel Hernandez: The lyrics, yeah.

Lawyer 1: Your honor, the government offers government exhibit 609T.

Judge: Uh…

Lawyer 2: No objections.

Judge: Received.

[cross talk]

Lawyer 1: …if I had offered government exhibit 609.

Judge: I think that had not been offered. Any objections?

Lawyer 2: No objections.

Judge: Received.

Lawyer 1: Thank you, your honor. Now, um, Ms. Horney, could you please publish and play exhibit 609.

Judge: Should the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, turn to 609 T, at this point?

Lawyer 1: Not at this point. I think we will watch the video and then we’ll turn to the lyrics.

Judge: Very good.

Lawyer 1: Thank you, Ms. Horney. If we could turn the volume down, uh, and as we with Gummo we’ll just go to certain clips in the video. And if we could go to about 20 seconds into the video. If we could go just a little [inaudible], I’m sorry. Start at 19 seconds. Play it. Stop. Mr. Hernandez, in the middle of the screen, who’s depicted there?

Daniel Hernandez: Seiko Billy.

Lawyer 1: And behind Seiko Billy in the, and I’m sorry, are you on the right side of the screen here? Are you depicted on the right side of the screen? Is that your arm?

Daniel Hernandez: That’s my hair, yeah. My arm.

Lawyer 1: And behind you, who’s behind you? Behind your arm? Did you see the…

Daniel Hernandez: Billy [inaudible]

Lawyer 1: Billy [inaudible]

Daniel Hernandez: Yeah.

Lawyer 1: Now, Ms. Horney, if we could, if we go to 30 seconds in the video… Who’s depicted, who’s depicted here, Mr. Hernandez?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, the guy in the red jacket, blue and white, is Midnight?

Lawyer 1: And who’s Midnight?

Daniel Hernandez: Midnight, um, from my understanding, when, um, I was first introduced to Nine Trey, he was um, he was the one who had, um, had the big homie status in Smurf Village. In the housing project across the street from Kooda.

Lawyer 1: Is he Nine Trey?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes, sir.

Lawyer 1: By “big homie” does that mean he had high ranking status?

Daniel Hernandez: From my understanding, yes.

Lawyer 1: Thank you, Ms. Horney, we can take down 609. If we could pull up, please, 609 T and zoom in on the uh, on the lyrics. And your honor, at this point [inaudible] the jury…

Judge: Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, please turn now to 609 T in your binders.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, the first line n – word running out they mouth but they never pop out, what is that [something slams]

Daniel Hernandez: Well, the whole, the whole paragraph of, uh, it speaks about, uh, well the first line, actually it’s about, I wanted to address all the controversy that was going on, um, after Gummo was released. A lot of people didn’t understand it.

Lawyer 1: Didn’t understand what?

Daniel Hernandez: Didn’t understand how uh, I guess a kid with rainbow hair could be affiliated with Nine Trey Bloods. It just didn’t mix. So, um, the first line is “n – word running out they mouth but they never pop out”. Just in general speaking. Um like, people, if you replace “n-word” with “people”, “people running out they mouth but they never pop out”. So that’s what I meant by it.

Lawyer 1: And again, what was the, the genesis of Kooda? Why, why, why did you make Kooda? Was it in response to anything?

Daniel Hernandez: Yeah, it was a response to everything. Ah, all, all the back lash from, uh, the public. To um, you know, just, the, the, the Trippy Red stuff going on, everything, other rappers talking, you know?

Lawyer 1: In the third line it reads “all my n-word on 50 so you know we hopped out”, the phrase “on 50”, what does that mean?

Daniel Hernandez: “On 50” is to be on point. Like to be aware.

Lawyer 1: Is that, is that, a, a term associated with Nine Trey or Bloods in general?

Daniel Hernandez: Uh, bloods in general. I, I mean I just think gangs…

Lawyer 2: Objection, leading.

Lawyer 1: I’m sorry.

Judge: One moment. Sustained.

Lawyer 1: Mr. Hernandez, uh, the term “on 50”, um, how do you know about that term?

Daniel Hernandez: Well, I, I was taught about all, um, you know, well not all the terms. I learned a couple, uh, just talking with Seiko Billy and “on 50” um, you know?

Lawyer 1: Did you talk to, did you talk to other people?

Daniel Hernandez: Yeah, Shotti.

Lawyer 1: And what did they teach you?

Daniel Hernandez: Well, uh, after Kooda, uh…

Lawyer 1: Ah, I’m sorry, before Kooda, as you were writing Kooda…

Daniel Hernandez: Okay, yeah.

Lawyer 1: …[inaudible] some of the terms in the lyrics, how did you come about drafting those lyrics or coming up with those lyrics?

Daniel Hernandez: Well, me and my best friend Andrew, we write together. Uh, but you know, I would spend a lot of time, you know, with Nine Trey at 370 Maddison, always “on 50” or…

Lawyer 1: So, based on your time with Nine Trey did you learn any of their lingo or words that they used?

Daniel Hernandez: Say that one more time?

Lawyer 1: Based on your time that you spent with members of Nine Trey, did you learn about some of their lingo or words that they used?

Daniel Hernandez: Correct.

Lawyer 1: Is “on 50” one of those terms?

Daniel Hernandez: Yes.

Lawyer 1: And what does “on 50” mean?

Daniel Hernandez: To be aware.

Lawyer 1: On the next line, line 4, it reads “mobbed out, opps out, we gonna show what we about”, what are you talking about in that line?

Daniel Hernandez: So, in this line I’m saying, um, mob, mobbed out, like, mob. Referencing like, when we’re in large numbers and we’re, you know, mobbed out. “Opps out” is like opposition. Like the opps. The opposition, our opposition, our opps. So we’re mobbed out, there’s opps out, we gon’ show what we about.

Lawyer 1: Thank you, Ms. Horney. We can take down 609 T.

Judge:  Mr. [inaudible] are you done with the examination of this exhibit?

Lawyer 1: Yes, I am.

Judge: Alright. I am looking for a natural break point because I understand the Juror’s uh, uh [inaudible] Alright ladies and gentlemen….

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Jerrod Murray Case Summary

In December 2012, Generro Sanchez was murdered by another student at East Central University, Jerrod Murray. Although Sanchez lived down the hall from Murray, they only knew one another through a mutual friend. Murray asked Sanchez for a ride to a nearby Wal-Mart. Upon their arrival, Murray pulled a gun out and demanded to be driven to a town North of Ada.

Generro Sanchez

To calm Sanchez’s nerves, Murray unloaded the clip and the bullet from the chamber and handed them to Sanchez, only to pull out another clip and lay it on his lap. After a 29-mile drive, they arrive on a small road in the country where Murray shot Sanchez in the head as he drove. The vehicle came to a stop in a ditch against a tree. After pulling his body from the vehicle, Murray heard agonal breathing from Sanchez. To ensure he was dead, he shot him in the head again. Murray then pushed his body down into the ditch and poorly covered his body with leaves, dirt, and a single stick.

Murray

In the interrogation Murray shows no remorse and gives no reason for the murder besides “it popped in my head”. He had been planning to murder someone for about three weeks and decided Generro Sanchez was going to be the victim a few days prior. Murray was later found not guilty by reason of insanity and has been held in a mental facility since. Murray has filed motions asking the Court to consider his release from the facility he is in to less restrictive care. The judge in the case ruled that Murray remains a threat to society and is dangerous, denying the motions.

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Jerrod Murray Interrogation Transcript

In December 2012, Generro Sanchez was murdered by another student at East Central University, Jerrod Murray. Although Sanchez lived down the hall from Murray, they only knew one another through a mutual friend. Murray asked Sanchez for a ride to a nearby Wal-Mart. Upon their arrival, Murray pulled a gun out and demanded to be driven to a town North of Ada. On a small road in the country, Murray shot Sanchez in the head as he drove. In the interrogation Murray shows no remorse and was later found not guilty by reason of insanity. The case summary can be found here.

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Jerrod Murray Interrogation Transcript

[Door opens]

Investigator: Ready? Okay Jerrod. Now, my name is Sherriff [inaudible] Palmer. And me and you met on the side of State Highway 177 and [inaudible] road at about 3:12 this morning, didn’t we?

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir.

Investigator: Okay. And at that time, you made a couple of statements to me when I put you down on the ground and then after we got up, I read your rights to you, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, you read my rights before I got up, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Before you got up off the ground.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But you did make a couple of statements…

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir, I made some statements, sir.

Investigator: Before I read you your rights without me asking you anything.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, you just, you told me you were the guy I was trying to find.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and then I read your rights to you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And those rights were – you have the right to remain silent…

Jerrod Murray: The Miranda Rights, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You have the right to talk to an attorney and have them present while being questioned.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And if you do not afford to hire one, one will be appointed to represent you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I asked you then if you wanted to talk to me.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you agreed to talk.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, at the time I said no but, didn’t I?

Investigator: No. I read your rights to you…

Jerrod Murray: But when you asked if I wished to talk to you about it…

Investigator: You said you didn’t know, and then…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s right.

Investigator: And then you said “yes, I already told you so…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: I might as well. Is that correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay. After that, during that drop do you remember what you told me after I read your Miranda warning to you?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, not word for word but the effect, yes.

Investigator: Okay. What do you remember telling me?

Jerrod Murray: uh, in summation that I’m guilty, yes.

Investigator: Of what?

Jerrod Murray: Of murder.

Investigator: And who did you murder?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Generro.

Investigator: Okay, and how did you murder him?

Jerrod Murray: With a gun. I shot him in the head, twice. Three shots were fired. One missed.

Investigator: And where did you shoot, where was this, where did this happen at?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, around five miles north of Asher, Oklahoma, on a side road.

Investigator: Do you know what that side road is called?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Do you know what’s on the corner of that side road?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, power, uh station, sir.

Investigator: Like a substation…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. [cross talk]

Investigator: Okay, and does that road go all the way through?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. It turns, uh, left.

Investigator: Okay and you have knowledge of this?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Are you from that area?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And your mom and dad’s house isn’t too far from there?

Jerrod Murray: Um, maybe a half a mile to three quarters of a mile, sir.

Investigator: Okay and can you get to your mom and dad’s house by going down that road?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, um, and you [inaudiable] shot this guy while he was driving his pickup down the road.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. And that’s basically what you told me on the side of the road.

Jerrod Murray: In summation, yes, sir.

Investigator: And in fact, we did find, we had already found the pickup and there was a body next to it in a ditch.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And that’s what we’re going to talk about now. Is that…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Are you okay with that?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So you’re agreeing to talk to me again?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Give me your full name.

Jerrod Murray: Jerrod Landreth Wayne Murray.

Investigator: And what’s your date of birth?

Jerrod Murray: July the twentieth, 1994.

Investigator: Okay, and do you live and dad?

Jerrod Murray: Hm?

Investigator: Do you stay with your mom and dad?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no.  I lived in the dormitories in college. Before then I lived with my grandparents in town.

Investigator: In town of Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay, um, what do you use for an address?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the, my parents house, yes.

Investigator: And what is that?

Jerrod Murray: Four hundred, four-zero-zero-five-five Ingram Drive. Ah, Asher, Oklahoma 78426.

Investigator: Ingram?

Jerrod Murray: Yes. I-N-G-R-A-M

Investigator: I-M-G

Jerrod Murray: I-N-G-R-A-M

Investigator: Okay, um, and so you go to school at East Central?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And is this your first year of college?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you’re a freshman at East Central.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you said you stay at some dorms?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what’s the name of your dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Pesagi Dormitory, sir.

Investigator: Can you spell that for me?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, P-E-S-A-G-I, I believe, sir.

Investigator: T-E-S-A-G-I?

Jerrod Murray: P-E-S…

Investigator: P-E-S…

Jerrod Murray: uh, A-G-I.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s in Ada.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And the young man, that you said to me you shot twice in the head…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And his name, do you know his whole name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I only know his first name.

Investigator: And his first name is what?

Jerrod Murray: Generro. I do not know how to spell that but it is with a “G”.

Investigator: Okay. And do you go to school with him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And do you stay in the same dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the same building, sir.

Investigator: Same building. And what’s your dorm number?

Jerrod Murray: 463D.

Investigator: 463B?

Jerrod Murray: D.

Investigator: D?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know his?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no. But I know it’s in “E” section.

Investigator: E section. And how do you know him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, towards the beginning of the year we met in a mutual friend’s room, uh, playing video games, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And do you take any classes with him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you know him through a mutual friend and you guys dormed in the same dorm.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Different sections.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir, but it’s literally right down the hall.

Investigator: Okay. So, you spend quite a bit of time together?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. Um, the pickup that was, he was in tonight and you was in. Was that his pickup or your pickup?

Jerrod Murray: I’m fairly sure it was his, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And you remember what kind of pickup that was?

Jerrod Murray: Um, black. [laughs] I’m sorry. I don’t…

Investigator: Okay, you don’t…

Jerrod Murray: I don’t know much about cars.

Investigator: Okay. But single cab…

Jerrod Murray: Single cab, black, uh, dent on the passenger side.

Investigator: Okay and can you go back and tell me how you guys hooked up tonight? Or [cross talk] this is actually, we’re talking right now at, we’re at almost 6 o’clock in the morning so can you go back and tell me when you guys would have gotten together?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe around [clears throat], maybe around 9 o’ clock yesterday evening.

Investigator: So, on the fifth.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, uh, maybe it was closer to ten.

Investigator: Okay. Nine to ten. And how did you guys hook up?

Jerrod Murray: I went down to his dorm room and asked if I could be given a ride to Wal-Mart in exchange for $20 gas money.

Investigator: Okay. Did he agree to that?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And did he, in fact, take you to Wal-Mart?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. We got in his pickup truck and he drove me to Wal-Mart.

Investigator: So, you’re talking about the Wal-Mart in Ada?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s a couple miles from the school?

Jerrod Murray: Uh. 2.2, ah, no, 1.7 miles, sir.

Investigator: 1.7 miles?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, so he took you to Wal-Mart…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Did you both go in?

Jerrod Murray: No, we did not go in, sir.

Investigator: And why not?

Jerrod Murray: We pulled into the parking lot and then I pulled the, um, weapon on him and demanded that he take me to Asher, Oklahoma, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And why, all of the sudden, did you decide that you needed to go to Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Because I was planning to take him out to the country and kill him.

Investigator: Okay. So, when you got him at the dorm, was your intention never to go to Wal-Mart?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You was, in fact, was you at that point, already in your mind, was going to take him and kill him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, had he done something to you that…

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So you just, can you kind of tell me, when you made this decision that you were going to take him and kill him? Why?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I made the decision three days prior to the incident. Uh, attempted to do it two days prior to the incident but he was not in his room and then did so today, as he was in his room.

Investigator: Okay, so, you been, you been, planning to do this for two days.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, two weeks, yes.

Investigator: Two weeks?

Jerrod Murray: But not with a selected individual, no.

Investigator: Okay. And when did you get to the point when you knew it was going to be him?

Jerrod Murray: That was three days prior to the incident.

Investigator: And why him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh.

Investigator: There’s other kids in college, why, why him?

Jerrod Murray: I believed he would have had the least impact, sir.

Investigator: Impact of, of what?

Jerrod Murray: I believed he didn’t have many friends or many close friends, I should rephrase. And as his [clears throat] he is going missing; his absence would be less notable.

Investigator: Okay. So, what if… tomorrow at school nobody would think anything of it.

Jerrod Murray: That was the plan, sir, yes.

Investigator: Okay, and so why did you choose to take him to Asher to kill him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, my plan was for my killing him I was going to head north towards Canada and Asher was further north than Ada. So…

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And I knew the surrounding terrain and I knew a good spot. I didn’t have that spot planned in particular. If I had planned that far ahead, I would have had a grave dug, but I knew the general area.

Investigator: Okay, so you brought him to that area because you knew that area because you were raised there.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And that’s the road you would travel going back and forth to your mom and dad’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I would travel the road further to the south of it. Just the road one south to it. That’s the road I would travel to my mother’s house from the school on my bus route, sir.

Investigator: Okay, but what I’m saying to you, you were familiar with that road…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And where it would go to…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, not much traffic on that road at this time…

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir. The only people that go on that road are people who live on that road, sir.

Investigator: Okay. You knew that.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, when you pulled the gun on him at Wal-Mart, in the parking lot…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, what did you tell him?

Jerrod Murray: I told him to take me to Asher.

Investigator: Asher. And did he say anything?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he panicked. Uh, he went to pull out his phone. I yanked the phone out of his hand and then he panicked some more. Kept telling me not to kill him. To make him feel more comfortable I unloaded the clip, unloaded the bullet from the chamber and then handed them over to him. And that eased his nerves a little. Then I pulled a second clip out of my pocket and set it on my lap.

Investigator: Okay. And you drove, so he drove you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you have any conversation between Ada and Asher?

Jerrod Murray: The entire time was conversation, sir.

Investigator: And was it basically, could you tell me what that conversation was?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, about from Ada to halfway to Asher it was my trying to reaffirm him that I wasn’t going to kill him to calm his nerves. And then from that point on we was us talking about our upbringings, our past, our family histories, things of [inaudible] nature, etcetera etcetera.

Investigator: And, so, did he say anything when you had him pull off of the main highway onto this dirt road?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. Ah, before this time I had pulled out his phone and uh, pulled up his GPS and showed him where I [inaudible] to make him feel more comfortable, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and so when you turned west off of 177, and there’s, we already talked about this, there’s a substation there…

Jerrod Murray: Um, we didn’t pull onto that road, sir. We pulled onto the road south of it, drove past Turkey Hill Road, turned left, went to around where the [inaudible] live to make another left. Past [inaudible] Estates, went straight and then went down that road from the other direction.

Investigator: So, you came in from the west side of where the pickup is at?

Jerrod Murray: West then east, yes.

Investigator: Okay, and, so you’re headed east on what is known as Substation Road which is the road where the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Is at now.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you’re headed east and he’s driving.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You’re on the passenger side. He’s got some bullets that you gave him.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, the clip and one round, yes.

Investigator: Okay. And where was that at?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, in his left hand, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Then you had the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And… What kind of gun?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Springfield Armory XD40 Smith and Wesson 40 Caliber.

Investigator: Okay. And you had the gun and another magazine, but you didn’t have the magazine in the gun.

Jerrod Murray: I did not have the magazine in the gun. Every five to ten minutes he had me, uh, put my finger in where the clip goes to uh, show that the round, it wasn’t chambered.

Investigator: Okay. So, you’re driving East, and I guess at some point, did you decide now was the time?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what happened?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I loaded the gun, quickly, chambered the round, quickly. Shot once, missed. Shot a second time, hit. Jumped out of the car. Went around, he was driving 10-15 miles an hour, so it was rather slow, uh, ran around the front of the car. And of course, it was slower, he wasn’t purposefully driving. Uh, tried to pull him out, couldn’t get him out till he had already hit the tree. Pulled him out there, dumped him into, no. Uh, before I dumped him into the ditch, I heard him like gurgling. I’m not sure if that’s a physiological or physical process after death but uh, I had thought that he may have still lived through that somehow because he was gurgling so I shot him again and then shoved him down to the ditch. I then grabbed his phone….

Investigator: Hang up, let’s back up just a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You, um, fired the first round…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you missed.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know where that round hit?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe it hit the top of the door, but it might have hit the window.

Investigator: Did the window bust?

Jerrod Murray: The window did bust, sir, but I don’t remember if that was the first or second round.

Investigator: Okay. So, you fired once, missed.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then you fired the second round…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you hit him then?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you hit him in the head.

Jerrod Murray: In the side of the head, yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so, it would have been his right…

Jerrod Murray: It would have been right here, sir.

Investigator: The right-hand side of his head…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Somewhere by the ear.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And he was, started veering off the road.

Jerrod Murray: To the left, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s when you got out and ran around…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you opened the door?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you tried to pull him out…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And, so when you shot, and he was still gurgling.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, was he sitting up when you shot him again?

Jerrod Murray: No. He was lying down on the ground.

Investigator: So you pulled him out of the truck…

Jerrod Murray: And just through him on the ground and then I heard him gurgling so I shot him a second time.

Investigator: And where did hit him the second time.

Jerrod Murray: I’m not certain but I believe the head as well.

Investigator: In the front, back, side?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe it was the same side as…

Investigator: Same side as before?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you think you hit him twice, or you know, you know you hit him in a fact once in the head. Then the second round is probably in the head area too.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then you rolled him down the ditch?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray:  I, uh, grabbed his phone from inside the vehicle. I was going to put it on the ground and shoot it as well, but I have a bit of night-blindness and didn’t see the steepness of the hill where it started to veer down. So, I threw it down and it slid down the hill, uh, it landed screen side down so I wasn’t able to find it’s location.

Investigator: Okay, so his phone is somewhere around his body?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, it should be. It might be underneath his body.

Investigator: Okay. And did you do something with his body after that?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes sir. I repositioned it and then I tried to cover it, uh, admittedly not well, with leaves, dirts and a stick.

Investigator: Okay, a stick?

Jerrod Murray: Yes. There was a stick on the side of the hill. I just grabbed everything on the side of the hill and uh, pushed it on top of him.

Investigator: Okay, now, when you say a stick, I, I was at the scene, I went down there and you know that…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: uh, actually brought you back down there and you sat in the car down there, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Mm-Hm.

Investigator: And there is a stick, about three-foot-long, about inch, inch and a half in diameter…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Found it by the body but there’s a whole bunch of blood on it. Is there any particular reason that stick…

Jerrod Murray: It had blood on it? Uh, it could be because I rolled his body on top of it. Because if it was on the side of the hill his body would have crossed over it. I couldn’t think of any reason in particular though.

Investigator: Okay. So, you didn’t hit him with the stick or do anything with him with the stick?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so that stick just ended up on top of him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, it’s possible he, you rolled him over on it, and then when you were covering him up that stick just ended up on top of him?

Jerrod Murray: It ended up on top of him because the way I covered him up.

Investigator: And so, after you got the body covered up, what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I, um, headed back to the truck and tried to get it unstuck.

Investigator: So, you put it in reverse then tried to, uh…

Jerrod Murray: And then tried and tried to but it wasn’t going. So, uh, after that I…

Investigator: When you say it wasn’t going it was because it was stuck?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe one of the wheels was off the ground and it wasn’t making traction.

Investigator: Okay, so you couldn’t get the truck out so what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I uh, looked to the left and from the headlights I saw that I could see his orange shirt, so I covered him up better. And uh, as I was finishing that I saw the headlights of a car pulling over the hill, so I went out…

Investigator: Which way was it coming from?

Jerrod Murray: It was heading East, uh, West from the East side, so the highway. And uh, he was slowing down already so I came out as quickly as I could from behind the truck and flagged him down by waving my hands and uh, he asked what was going on. I told him that I had drowsed, dozed off, and veered off the road and couldn’t get my truck unstuck. And then he was uh, I think he, I don’t think he knew exactly what happened, but I think he knew I did something. Maybe stealing, I don’t know. Because like you said, no one travels down that road.

Investigator: Um, did you know him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir, I did not know him. But since he travels down that road he most likely lived in that area. He knew that I didn’t.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: So, most likely he, uh, was suspicious based on that fact alone because I had no business being on that road. But, uh, he agreed to give me a ride to Asher non the less. Uh, more specifically he didn’t agree to that until his phone didn’t work. We pulled up to about the highway then he dialed a number for me. Uh, I gave him a fake number so that it wouldn’t answer and if it did answer I could just make something up. Whatever number didn’t answer, it was a number that was out of service. Uh, he agreed to give me a ride to Asher so I could get my cellular phone. I don’t own a cellular phone. To uh, call someone that I knew to come get me out.

Investigator: Okay. Where did he take to in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, my grandparent’s house.

Investigator: Okay. And what is your grandparent’s name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Ethel, ah, I don’t know if it’s [inaudible] or Rodrick now.

Investigator: Okay. And [inaudible] and what? And what, do you know their address in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: 306 East Salter Street.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s where he took you to.

Jerrod Murray:  Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and you got out.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I went into the house; I had a Coca Cola. I called a roommate from college that I had an accident and wondered if he could, uh, either get me out of the ditch or knew anyone that could get me out of the ditch.

Investigator: What’s your roommate’s name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Shane Schroth.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Then, uh…

Investigator: Does he have a cell phone?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know his number?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, not off the top of my head, sir. But if I had a phone, I could tell you. It’s like, uh, one…

Investigator: Hang on.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I can tell you it now. 1-405-694-0359.

Investigator: 6-9-4..

Jerrod Murray: 0-3-5-9.

Investigator: And what’s his name again?

Jerrod Murray: Shane Schroth.

Investigator: Okay, and he goes to school there?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, and he also graduated from Asher.

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Jerrod Murray: The class.

Investigator: What’s the year, we talked before and you didn’t actually graduate from Asher.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But you would have graduated with him.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what’s his last name?

Jerrod Murray: Schroth. S-C-H-R-O-T-H.

Investigator: Okay, and he knew you from Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And we were roommates in college because we were fairly good friends.

Investigator: So, you guys lived in the same dorm, the same room?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And, so you told him you were stuck.

Jerrod Murray: Yes. I told him I ran my car off a ditch and asked if he knew anyone that could get me out.

Investigator: Do you own a car?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Did he not know this?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he didn’t ask, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what did he tell you?

Jerrod Murray: He, uh, he said he’d try to call his mother to see if his father could do it for me. And uh, they were asleep so there was no answer. So uh, at that point I decided I should go off on my own. I got that can of WD-40 and was going…

Investigator: Wait, wait, wait. Where did you get this can of WD-40?

Jerrod Murray: I, uh, stole it from his parents.

Investigator: Okay, lets back up just a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Because you said you were at your grandparents.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. How did you get to his parent’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he lives on the other side of Asher. I walked.

Investigator: Okay, when you say the other side of Asher, help me out. East of Asher, West Asher, North?

Jerrod Murray: South Asher.

Investigator: South of the [inaudible] shops?

Jerrod Murray: No, it’s in the town just on the South side.

Investigator: Okay, you don’t know their address?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you walked after, I’m just trying to make, understand this, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you call him from your grandparent’s house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then he tries to call his parents?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And no answer.

Jerrod Murray: No answer, sir.

Investigator: So, you walk from your grandparent’s house….

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you walk to his mom and dad’s house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And about how far is that from your grandparent’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Not far at all. It’s, ah, maybe eight to nine blocks. I don’t know mileage for that.

Investigator: And you walk to their house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Did you knock on the door?

Jerrod Murray: I just got the can of WD-40 and…

Investigator: And where was that at?

Jerrod Murray: Outside, sir.

Investigator: On the porch or…

Jerrod Murray: They live in a trailer house, sir. It was to the right of their entry way.

Investigator: Just sitting on the ground or…

Jerrod Murray: Sitting on top of a milk crate.

Investigator: Okay, but it was in the yard.

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Not a vehicle or nothing.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And why did you get the WD-40?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, WD-40 is a solvent. It would help degrade the, uh, oils from my fingers and uh, get rid of my fingerprints, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So, you were going to get the can of WD-40 and go back to the crime scene and use WD-40 on the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: To try to get rid of your fingerprints?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you do that?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. When I was on my way back, as opposed to going directly back to it I cut through a forest area there by an abandoned trailer house. And uh, as I was entering uh, the uh, general area about the crime scene I heard uh, I believe it was an elderly gentleman cough.  I’m not sure who, I’m not sure what. I just left because well, around that area the man who gave me a ride into town was an elderly gentleman. I concluded that he might have went back and the headlights and brake lights were still on. I thought he might have went back to turn them off, uh, so my battery wouldn’t die. And then he saw the, uh, at least the blood. Probably the body, it wasn’t well hidden at all.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: That’s the conclusion I reached anyways.

Investigator: Uh, so you was in the woods?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you don’t really know who it was?

Jerrod Murray: I just heard an elderly gentleman cough.

Investigator: Did you see the pickup?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you didn’t, so you couldn’t see the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: And, so you were on the south side of the road in the woods?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, but you never could see the pickup again or know who was there?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I headed back East instead of South; took a different route to get out of the wooded area. Uh, ran into a barbed wire fence, jumped the barbed wire fence, headed South along another barbed wire fence I found next to the highway. Well, you couldn’t see the highway, but you could easily hear it and I could see the substation from there pretty clearly. I, uh, headed South along that, came across another barbed wire fence, jumped it, then headed to where I started out at, at that abandoned trailer house there, then walked away and headed North.

Investigator: The abandoned trailer house, is it South of the substation?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, it’s South of the substation.

Investigator:  By how far?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe a hundred yards.

Investigator: And you know what side of the road it’s on?

Jerrod Murray: Um. West side.

Investigator:  West side.

Jerrod Murray: It’s up the ways a little. It’s in a, you know how trailer houses out in the country will have driveways leading to them. So, um, I’m not sure if you can see it from the highway or not.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And the driveway is run down. I happened to know no one lives there so I figured that was a perfect vantage point to get to the crime scene again.

Investigator: Okay. So, did you get back on the highway?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And which way did you go?

Jerrod Murray: North, sir.

Investigator: What were your intentions?

Jerrod Murray: Ah.

Investigator: Walking North.

Jerrod Murray: Canada, sir.

Investigator: You were just going to Canada.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: I hoped that uh, by determining I was heading South you, went to Asher, you already know my Grandparent’s house and I was hoping that my name would probably show up somewhere over the course of this little thing, I wasn’t expecting it to be found so quickly…

Investigator: Why didn’t you expect it to be found so quickly?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I didn’t think someone would drive down that road. In my original plan, I gave myself maybe six to eight hours to get out of the area. But since it was found so quickly, at least I believed so at the time, I didn’t want to revise the plan because I had headed South originally going into town.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And uh, I hoped you guys would think that I was headed towards Mexico as it’s much closer and probably easier to get past the border.

Investigator: Okay, and so you was walking North on 177.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And what side of the road were you on?

Jerrod Murray: I was on the left right of the road, sir.

Investigator: Okay so if you’re going…

Jerrod Murray: East side.

Investigator: East side and you were walking.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what happened then?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I had tried hitch hiking part of, most of the way because the only way this was going to work factoring in, uh, my belief that you all found the crime scene is if someone were to give me a ride there with them. Uh, however, that didn’t happen. Most people were truckers, so they didn’t, they just kept driving, they had a place to go. And then whenever your patrol car pulled up behind me, I didn’t know it was a patrol car and I stuck my thumb out and you was there for the rest.

Investigator: And that’s when I, that’s when me and you first came in contact, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you were advised then to get on the ground, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  Okay, and that’s when I had you put your hands behind your back…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then when I approached you, I asked you for my safety and for your safety if you had a gun.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you said “no”.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you remember what else you said?

Jerrod Murray: Ah. I might have mentioned the ammunition in my left pocket, sir.

Investigator: That’s right, and what else?

Jerrod Murray: Ah…. “I am the one you’re looking for”.

Investigator: And at that point I told you to be quiet…

Jerrod Murray: Uh….

Investigator: Until I got you and read your rights to you.

Jerrod Murray: Oh ah…

Investigator: Is that correct?

Jerrod Murray: I’m not sure but if you’re saying its correct…

Investigator: Well, no, do you remember that conversation when you said…?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: I said, “hang on just a second”.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, yes, sir. You did say that, yes, sir.

Investigator: So I could read your rights to you and I read your rights to you at that point.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I wasn’t aware you were telling me to be quiet, I thought you was just saying “I need to read your rights”.

Investigator: But I told you, you do remember me saying “be quiet for a second”.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, “hold on a second”.

Investigator: Hold on a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, something to that affect.

Investigator: Okay, uh [inaudible] where, uh we talked about this when you told me the gun, you left the gun in the pickup.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and when we talked and I told you that, you know, you already told us about the homicide, and you told us about shooting him. The gun’s not in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was in the truck, sir.

Investigator: And, so, I need to know where that gun at.

Jerrod Murray: When I left the scene, it was still in the truck, sir.

Investigator: Was still in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was still in the truck, sir.

Investigator: Where was it at in the truck?

Jerrod Murray: It was, uh, I believe it was on the center console but it’s possible that it could have been between the driver seat and the center console.

Investigator: Okay, because the center console is pushed up, not down.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I don’t remember that.

Investigator: Well, you’re saying it’s on the center console. To be on the center console, the center console would have to be in the down position, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: The center console is up. So, was it up or down when you was there?

Jerrod Murray:  I think it was down, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So, but your intentions, can I ask you why you’d leave the gun there if you just killed somebody and you just wanted to get to Canada.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, because the man pulled up too quickly, sir.

Investigator: Okay and was that you’re gun?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, no, sir.

Investigator: And where did you get that gun from?

Jerrod Murray: I stole it two weeks ago from a man named Daniel Davis. Uh, 217 North Division Street.

Investigator: And where is Division Street?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, it’s the uh, if you’re going down 018 and…

Investigator: What, what town is it in?

Jerrod Murray: Asher [inaudible].

Investigator: And his name is David Davis?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And how did you steal it from his house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I went into his house, uh, his family and my family are on good terms. I just walked in the door and went back to his mother’s room and told her that I had a video game to return to Daniel. Then I went into Daniel’s room, put a video game that I brought with me as a way to get into the door and got the gun.

Investigator: Okay, and so you, was it in a box or was…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. It was in a uh, case.

Investigator:  And where’s the case at?

Jerrod Murray: Still at his house, sir.

Investigator: So, you took the gun out of the case…

Jerrod Murray: I took the gun and two clips, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: I took all the clips.

Investigator: So, where’s those at? so there’s just two?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And where’s, is there ammunition in them?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. There were twelve rounds in each clip, uh, since I fired three rounds from that one clip that means there’s nine rounds in it- should be. And the uh, other clip had eleven rounds in it because one was chambered and the other round was, I unchambered it and handed it to him.

Investigator: Okay, and now when I brought you in here, we was uncuffing you, we was checking the pockets of your jackets, make sure you didn’t have any weapons in your pockets, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And I pull this can of WD-40 out of your um, right coat pocket…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then in your left coat pocket there was a purple crown royal bag…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I took that out of your pocket.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And can you tell me what’s in here?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, some Smith and Wesson 40 Caliber rounds, sir.

Investigator: And was them part of the rounds you stole with the gun?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no sir. I bought those two or three days later off of friend of mine, sir.

Investigator: So, that many rounds?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, that plus what was in the clip, sir. So, there was twelve and twelve twenty-four plus four that’s in there.

Investigator: Okay but you said there was already, the magazines already had bullets in them.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I loaded them with the ammunition I bought, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so when you stole the gun and the magazines there was no bullets with it?

Jerrod Murray: No bullets were in it, sir.

Investigator: Okay so you, what was in the two magazines…

Jerrod Murray: Nothing, sir. Oh, as for the ammunition, yes sir.

Investigator: And what’s in here, you bought off of a friend.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And do you know his name?

Jerrod Murray: Ah… Not off the top of my head, sir.

Investigator: Does he go to college?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I call him a friend but he’s just a guy.

Investigator: Okay, and where is he from?

Jerrod Murray: Ada, sir.

Investigator: And do you know how to get ahold of him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. It’s a guy I know through a guy minus, I got the word out that I was looking for some ammunition and then…

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: A “friend of mine” sold it to me, so…

Investigator: Do you know how many rounds are in here?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I believe there was anywhere between three and six though.

Investigator: So [inaudible] if I pull them out and there will be three to six rounds of 40 caliber rounds in there, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Your intentions with the gun, when you got out into Asher after you shot this young man, that the gun was still in the truck…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: With the magazine.

Jerrod Murray: One magazine as he was holding one of, the other magazine. I believe it fell out of the truck when I was pushing him out. He, I didn’t see it on the floorboard before I left because I was trying to gather it all up. But uh, I think he might still have it in his left hand. [cross talk] At the crime scene.

Investigator: There should have been the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: The magazine that was in the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: The one round that you handed him…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And then the full magazine.

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: So, we’re talking about a total of how many rounds? You said both of them had twelve in it.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, we should have, you fired three rounds, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, there should be twenty-one rounds and two magazines there and a gun.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Yes, sir. Plus, well, there, yes, sir. Twenty-one rounds, two magazines, and a gun.

Investigator: Okay. Also, in your pocket there was a debit card, master card, has the name Jerrod Murray. And that’s you, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: This is yours?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Jerrod, I’m going to ask you to sit here for just a second and I’ll be right back, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

[Investigator exits the room]

[Investigator returns]

Investigator: Okay Jerrod. I have a couple other things [inaudible], alright?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I believe you’re being honest with me, I really do. You told me stuff that, that, that I had no qualms about what you’re telling me except for a couple things, I know for a fact you didn’t get the WD-40 from the front yard.

Jerrod Murray: You’re right. I [inaudible] keeping him out of this but I did go into his house, he did give it to me, and, and, yeah.

Investigator: And when you say him, who?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the parent of the friend that I called.

Investigator: Shane’s?

Jerrod Murray: Shane’s father, stepfather, yes.

Investigator: And do you know his name?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, Michael Norris.

Investigator: Okay, and what did you tell Michael?

Jerrod Murray: I told him about what had happened and asked for his opinion on the next course of action.

Investigator: When you said what happened, what do you mean?

Jerrod Murray: The murder. I told him about that.

Investigator: You told, you told Shane’s father about the murder you just did?

Jerrod Murray: Not the specifics but the general picture, yes.

Investigator: Do you remember what you told him?

Jerrod Murray: Not exactly. But I mean, I didn’t tell him “I fired three shots, missed one shot, in the head.” Not all that. I just said I got a truck, I killed a guy for it, it’s in a ditch.

Investigator: Okay. Did you tell him how you did it?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I don’t remember but I might’ve.

Investigator: Okay, and this is really important, and I want you to really think about this because you said you were trying to keep him out of trouble…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I did know more than you think I know.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, I’m still at the gun.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: It’s not in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was when I left the scene. That was the whole point of him taking me back, sir. To get it.

Investigator: Okay, so he took you back to the scene?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no.

Investigator: Because you said you walked.

Jerrod Murray: No, ah, he drove me to the abandoned house that I spoke of.

Investigator: Okay, so Mr. Norris gave you the can of WD-40…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And I believe he probably got that from the bathroom of his house.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I’m not aware of where he got it but if that’s where he says then yeah.

Investigator: Okay, and, so he drove you from Asher back to

Jerrod Murray: The area of the scene.

Investigator: Just South where you would turn on Substation Road and that’s where the abandoned trailer house is on the West side.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you got out of the car and walked out through the abandoned trailer house, through the woods…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And that’s when you heard somebody cough?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Ah, there is a note wrote on a piece of paper, like a business card, on the passenger side window. Stuck on the pickup. The window’s up, and there’s a note stuck in there. Says “come to the house at the end of the road.” Did you write that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Huh?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: You didn’t write that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: You have any idea how that note could have got there?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I don’t think anything like that was there whenever I left.

Investigator: Okay. So, is it a possibility that the gentleman…?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. On our way back to Asher he had told me some thieves had stolen about a thousand dollars’ worth of guns of his and that he was looking for them and that if he found them, he would kill them dead on the side of the road. Then I said that a thousand dollars is a fair amount of money and then he said it didn’t matter if it was fifty, he doesn’t like thieves.

Investigator: Okay, um, so is it possible that he, that on his way home he could have stopped and wrote that note?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s a possibility, I won’t deny that. Like I said, I thought it might have been him who called the police. Ah, I still don’t know if it was or not, but I thought it might have been him. He went to go turn my lights off then saw the blood and then called but uh, if he did write that note then I don’t think he would have called police.

Investigator: Okay, uh, I just want to go over a couple points with you then we’re going to take another break, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, and you started this out that, um, you’ve actually had this on your mind for about three weeks.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you just didn’t know who.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Or when. Or where. Well, I had a general idea of the area but that was picked out about a week ago, sir.

Investigator: And was that picked out because of where you were aware of your surroundings?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And so, lets go back to our victim, the young man that you killed.

Jerrod Murray: Generro.

Investigator: Um, you, basically you picked him out because you thought that you, nobody would miss him, if I understood what you…

Jerrod Murray: In general, yes, sir.

Investigator: And you told me on the way you guys talked from Ada to Asher about your upbringings…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Was your upbringing any different than his?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: What was the difference between your upbringing and his?

Jerrod Murray: Nothing major, I mean, we didn’t talk on the topic of upbringings for very long. He just said that he was, uh, always fat and overweight and was made fun of for it so he had confidence issues and then I said that I never, well, I had that problem but that problem stopped in about the fifth grade, so.

Investigator: And why did that stop?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the bullies that picked on me, I beat them up.

Investigator: Okay, and that was in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay, so the bullies, you beat them up, not because you just wanted to beat them up but because they were making fun of you?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, to stop them from making fun of me, yes.

Investigator: Okay, I can understand that. Um, let me, have you done any other thing that’s been violent?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, sir. The mutual friend that I talked about that I know him through, his name is Wyatt Freeman. He lives across the hall from me. I don’t know his room number. It’s directly across the hall though. Uh, maybe a month, a month and a half ago at college… we hung out almost every night, played video games, it was all fun and games, you know. Uh, I was talking to him and then the talk of [inaudible] was brought up and then he said if I got you in a choke hold you would tap out. I said I’m not going to tap out and then he got me in a choke hold and I was knocked unconscious and when I woke up everyone in the room was laughing at me and then he said that there was no way I was knocked unconscious in that short of a time and then I punched him in the face and then he pushed me away and told me to get out of his room and I spat in his face and left his room. And then he came to my room, and had a flashlight I had dropped out of my pocket and was holding it and said “this is your flash light”. I went to reach for it, he pulled me into the hallway, and was going to beat me for it. Then, I told him let them beat me and whenever they come to break it up, I would be the one with all the injuries and it would be his fault.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And then the uh, East Central University police responded to that.

Investigator: Okay, and his first name is what?

Jerrod Murray: Wyatt.

Investigator: Wyatt.

Jerrod Murray: I’m not quite sure how to spell that. Freedman is his last.

Investigator: Okay, um, Jerrod, I want to ask you again just point blank because you sat here and confessed to…

Jerrod Murray: Pretty much everything.

Investigator: In my mind, I think you might agree with me, just cold blooded killed him that night, or last night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever killed anybody else?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever thought of it?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, more myself than anyone else, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and when was the last time you thought about killing yourself?

Jerrod Murray: Three weeks ago, sir.

Investigator: And what was going on three weeks ago?

Jerrod Murray: Nothing in particular. Um, my grandfather died recently but that’s not related to it. Before his death I had similar thoughts as recently.

Investigator: Your grandfather, is that the same grandfather that you caught a ride to back to his house tonight or a different one?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. My grandparent’s house. He lived there with my grandmother. Yes.

Investigator: Okay, so your grandfather’s dead so your grandmother lives by herself?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, she had a friend over but yeah.

Investigator: Okay. Uh, okay. Let me ask you this, Jerrod. Are you taking any medications for any mental illness?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Do you take drugs?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever taken drugs?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I smoked marijuana in my mid to early teenage years.

Investigator: When was the last time you smoked marijuana?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe six years ago, maybe five.

Investigator: Never done any other type of drug?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Um, not on any medicatoin.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. Just an albuteral inhalor for asthma.

Investigator:  You do have asthma.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, so, um, when you, lets go back three weeks ago when you started planning that you were going to kill somebody.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you just didn’t know who or when.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: What made last night the time and who. I kind of understand who.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, as I stated earlier, uh, it wasn’t neccissarily last night. I made the decision to do it and who three days ago and I tried. No, maybe two…. Tuesday. I made the decision, Tuesday. This whole saying days ago because it’s a different day than it was yesterday, uh, it was Tuesday that I made the decision  it should be him. He wasn’t in his dorm, I didn’t try again, no. Maybe I did try again the day after. I can’t remember the days anymore. It was Tuesday I made up my mind, though. I knew who it was and tried that night.

Investigator: Okay, and I guess I’m having a hard time understanding what you got out of it. Can you kind of, can you help me?

Jerrod Murray: I don’t really get anything out of it.

Investigator: But I mean why, if you weren’t going to get something, self graditude, something, why did you do it, I guess is what I’m asking.

Jerrod Murray: If I’m pressed to answer I’ll say it’s to prove the strength of my resolve but that is only if I’m pressed to answer.

Investigator: I’m not pressing you. I’m just trying to understand.

Jerrod Murray: Then I don’t know why.

Investigator: Okay, so it just…

Jerrod Murray: Popped in my head.

Investigator: Popped in your head and you…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay but it ever popped in your head before?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, not an appeal, sir.

Investigator: That you, that you, you never killed before?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, animals?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I’ve never hunted. I know how to hunt. I know how to make a bow and arrow. I know how to field dress animals and but not but I’ve never hunted before, no.

Investigator: Okay, now when we were talking before you indicated to me you did not graduate from Asher.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I flunked out.

Investigator: Okay, so when you say “flunked out” was that because you just couldn’t do it or you just…

Jerrod Murray: I didn’t want to do homework. The teachers at the school as well as all facitly amitted I was the smartest person there. They knew I could do the work. I didn’t see the point of doing it if they already know and everyone knows I could do it.

Investigator: That was my next question because it don’t make sense sombody who flunked out of school would be at East Central.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, that summer, I’ve been going to [inaudible] Upward Bound for math and science, uh, since maybe three years ago. Uh,

Investigator: And was you doing Upward Bound at East Central?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s uh…

Investigator: Do they have it in…

Jerrod Murray: They have both Upward Bound math and science, obviously.

Investigator: [cross talk]  also do the same thing but I don’t think you can get math and science at [inaudible] state [inaudible].

Jerrod Murray: Yeah. It’s upper math, yeah.

Investigator: Okay. So you’ve been going East Central Upward Bound?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. For three years, yes, sir. And um…

Investigator: What kind of grades are you making in college right now?

Jerrod Murray: I believe I’ve failed everything besides choices and wellness, sir.

Investigator: Is, are you failing everything by choice?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And why is that?

Jerrod Murray: Mm, laziness I would suppose, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Didn’t feel like going to classes. I mean, if I was already up in the Central area to eat a meal I would go to classes because it’s not that I have a problem going to classes. It’s to the dorms to the central area; I was too lazy to travel that distance.

Investigator: Not because you couldn’t do the work.

Jerrod Murray: Not because I couldn’t do the work. I was passing most my classes before then.

Investigator: And what were your ambitions or dreams to be?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I had hoped to become a chemist for the Department of Defense.

Investigator: Okay. Kind of hard to do in Canada.

Jerrod Murray: [laughs]

Investigator: Wouldn’t you agree?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And, I’m going to ask you this and you can answer if you want. I’m just, I’m having a hard time.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you feel any remorse?

Jerrod Murray: I’m sad that I got caught so quickly but that’s almost lessened by being caught by someone with “sheriff” on their jacket but for killing him? No.

Investigator: Okay, so it makes you feel better that it was somebody that had “sheriff” on their jacket who arrested you?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: As opposed to what?

Jerrod Murray: A deputy or someone like that, sir.

Investigator: Okay, well, I’m not the sheriff.

Jerrod Murray: I’m aware of that.

Investigator: I’m the under sheriff.

Jerrod Murray: The person driving me up here told me that but still, that’s…

Investigator: So it makes you feel better that you got caught by somebody up in rank opposed to somebody under…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But my question again is, do you have any remorse?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Alright. Give me a minute, okay?

[Investigator exits room]

[background conversation in another room]

[Investigator returns]

Investigator: {inaudible] okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. Ah, my left thumb has been numb since we got to the crime scene.

Investigator: Do what?

Jerrod Murray: My left thumb has been numb since we got to the crime scene.

Investigator: How come?

Jerrod Murray: I don’t know. I figured when the cuffs came off feelings would return to it but in this area it’s still numb.

Investigator: Ah, you probably just need to work it.

Jerrod Murray: Well, I have been.

Investigator: Rub it. You ever been cuffed before?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So aint never been in any trouble?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So if I run a record on you I’m not going to find anything on you?

Jerrod Murray: You might find that assault from a couple months ago but that would be it.

Investigator: That’s when you and that other guy got into it?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: About the choke hold.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, I take it since you go to college you have a computer, correct?

Jerrod Murray: I have a laptop, sir.

Investigator: And it’s probably at your dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, and I know we’ve talked about this, kind of in general, you didn’t know who it was going to be?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Or when it was going to be but you kind of knew where.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then you tried this Tuesday night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And he wasn’t there, he was home. This is now Friday morning so this was Thursday night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And when I talked to you, something about “was there going to be others”…

Jerrod Murray: I…

Investigator: And you made the statement earlier that you was happy that you got caught by somebody in the rank and stature of the Sheriff’s office.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you understand I’m going to do my job thorough.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I understand that completely.

Investigator: And that means I’m going to end up getting a search warrant of your computer.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I understand that.

Investigator: So, if there is, I want this, searching your computer are we’re going to find any ideals of wanting to do a mass shooting in a school?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Or you was going to kill anybody else?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, why do you want me to believe that this was going to be a one time thing since you planned this for three weeks, and by Tuesday night you knew who and when but it failed?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Tell me why I should believe you this was just going to be one person who was going to suffer from your consequences of killing?

Jerrod Murray: You have no reason to believe me, sir.

Investigator: Oh, I believe but so, but you’re trying to tell me you were just going to do it one time and that was going to be the end of it?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So I’m not going to find anything on your computer that’s going to be or when I go to college when myself and this team from the DA’s office goes to the campus and we go and talk to everybody that you’re associated with at the dorms, uh, nobody’s going to tell us “well he’s talked about a school shooting or killing people”?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: I’m not going to find that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: That said, I have been asked by people, including at Asher, if I was a murderer or if I planned on it but I’ve never planned on it since three weeks ago and I’ve never killed anyone so the answer has always been “no”. I’m not sure if it was jokingly or seriously, that said.

Investigator: Okay. I guess I’m just having a real hard time understanding why. Why him?

Jerrod Murray: Well, if it was a random person there could be the possiblity he had children or something of that nature. Uh, if it was someone else up there they’d have a lot more friends or a lot more social, so…

Investigator: So… [inaudible] by his quota status of not having very many friends or being social, it was a good victim.

Jerrod Murray: His presence would be less noticed, yes.

Investigator: Okay.

[Investigator stands to exit]

Jerrod Murray: That said, he did have a girlfriend and some friends.

Investigator: Yeah. You don’t think his girlfriend would have missed him?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I wasn’t aware of his girlfriend up until tonight, sir.

Investigator: Oh. So he told you before you killed him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no. The entire way down there uh, I had the phone at Wal-Mart, so the entire way down there she was texting him so I was texting what he told me to text back.

[Investigator sits back down]

Investigator: So this was a conversation between his girlfriend and actually you, but you was texting what he…

Jerrod Murray: Word for word, yes.

Investigator: Okay. You don’t think she’s going to be upset, heartbroken?

Jerrod Murray: I think she will be.

Investigator: How does that make you feel?

Jerrod Murray: No different, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

[Investigator exits room]

[Investigator enters room]

Investigator: Do one more thing for me.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Just the history deal with you, fill that form out for me.

Jerrod Murray: Uh…

Investigator: Just your name, address, city, phone number, stuff like that.

Jerrod Murray: Alright.

Investigator: Just [inaudible]

[Investigator exits room]

[Investigator enters room]

Investigator: Common’ big guy.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I’ve got some questions about this paperwork.

Investigator: About what?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I didn’t know what to put under investigator, date, armed, hair color or the bottom line.

Investigator: Okay, that’s no big deal. I’ll fill that in.

Jerrod Murray: Well, I didn’t even know if that was hair color, I thought it might be hair length, both. I don’t know.

Investigator: Okay, that’s good. I just needed general information on name and all that anyway.

[investigator and Jerrod exit room after Jerrod pushes chair back under table]

Investigator: Common, through here.

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Lee Rodarte Interrogation Transcript

Lee Rodarte was a manager at the Bone Fish restaurant who killed a server there named Savannah Gold, in his car in the restaurant’s parking lot. She was 21 years old. Within minutes after the murder he texted her mother and brother text messages filled with misspellings, claiming she was leaving with a boyfriend.  He first denied any knowledge when questioned by police but three days after her disappearance he admitted to slashing her tire, killing her and directed investigators to her body in a body of water. He claims the murder was accidental. The incident was recorded on security cameras but investigators could not see what happened inside of the vehicle. Below is the interrogation video and transcript. The confession was edited out when it was published but everything leading up to, and following the confession remains. When it is the edited parts are released, the transcript will be updated. A case summary can be viewed here.

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Lee Rodarte Interrogation Transcript

[conversation between investigator and officer about uncuffing Rodarte]

Officer 1:  Put your hands on your head, I’ve got to pat you down.

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Officer 1:  Spread your legs for me. Do you have anything in your pockets?

Lee Rodarte: Nothing. They got it all.

Officer 2: I’ve got his hat and um [inaudible] in my trunk. I’ll go get them.

Officer 1: Okay. I just want to… Just our policy, you know what I mean?

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir. Yes sir.

Officer 1: Could you do me a favor? I’m going to have you take that apron off.

Lee Rodarte: Okay.

Officer 1: [inaudible] You can go ahead and have a seat right there for me. I’ll be right back, okay?

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Officer 1: Need a water or anything?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, I’ll take some water.

Officer 1: Water? Yup, give me one second.

[Investigator leaves and returns with a bottle of water]

Lee Rodarte: [inaudible] Would it be, uh, possible if I could use the restroom?

Officer 1: Yeah, give me one second. Let me get my partner real quick and we’ll walk you there.

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir, no problem.

Officer 1: No problem.

[Officer 1 closes and opens the door]

Officer 1: You can come on.

[Rodarte leaves and returns from bathroom]

Officer 1: I’ll be right outside just knock if you need anything, okay? Just give me a couple minutes.

[90 minutes of silence]

Detective 1:  Hey man

Lee Rodarte: How are you doin?

Detective 1: Good good. Do you remember me from the other day? Detective Reeves?

Lee Rodarte: Yes, sir.

Detective 1: Uh, this is my partner, Detective [inaudibale]. She was interviewing some of the other folks, waiters and other staff people the other day, so she didn’t have the chance to come down at the time. Um. I want to talk to you, well actually, we wanted to… do you want some more water?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah. Actually, would it be alright to use the bathroom one more time?

Detective 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ll walk you out there. Grab, ah, hang on one second, let me grab something.

Lee Rodarte: No problem.

Detective 1: No worries.

[Detective 1 and Rodarte leave to bathroom]

[Detective 1 and Rodarte returns 7 minutes later]

Detective 1: You want some water?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, yes please if that would be alright.

Detective 1: Got a water?

[Detective 1 exits and returns]

Detective 1: Um, like I said, I kind of want to go over some stuff. We talked the other day for just a few minutes, and I had some concerns about a couple things and um, oh okay, um I wanted to talk to you about Savannah. So, I just have a couple of things that came up that I wanted to ask you about specifically that didn’t seem to line up. So, I wanted to come down to talk to you. Alright?

Lee Rodarte: Alright.

Detective 1: So, lets get a couple, let’s make sure I got your basic information. It’s Lee. Tell me how you pronounce your last name.

Lee Rodarte: Rodarte.

Detective 1: Rodarte. And that’s R-O-D-A-R-T-E and it’s 1081 Halifax Road, Jacksonville. What’s the zip?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, 32216.

Detective 1: 32216. Okay. Date of birth is 8/11/88?

Lee Rodarte: Yup.

Detective 1: And you’re 5’11”?

Lee Rodarte: Yup.

Detective 1: And what’s your approximate weight?

Lee Rodarte: Um… It’s been a while since I weighed myself but probably about 163, something like that.

Detective 1: 163? Okay, what color eyes do you have?

Lee Rodarte: Brown.

Detective 1: Brown? Hair is…

Lee Rodarte: Brown.

Detective 1: Brown. And what’s your phone number?

Lee Rodarte:  904-452-6094.

Detective 1: Okay. And your social, do you know your social?

Lee Rodarte: Pretty sure I do.

[edited out]

Detective 1: And white male. And how old are you?

Lee Rodarte: Um. I’m 28.

Detective 1: 28? And can you read and write?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: What’s the last school you went to?

Lee Rodarte: Forest Highschool. Before it was [inaudible]

Detective 1: When did you graduate from there?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, ‘06.

Detective 1: Okay. 2006. Alright, and you can read and write. Have you had um, have you drank any alcohol today? Any drugs today?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I took an Adderall that my buddy gave me.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Because I was there late last night, and I was super tired like [inaudible] take this.

Detective 1: Alright, Adderall?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: And do you normally take that?

Lee Rodarte: Nah, I was, I’ve taken one long time ago. I wouldn’t say high school. A little after high school but it’s been years.

Detective 1: Okay, uh, but nothing to drink, alcohol wise?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay and how, about what time do you think you took the Adderall?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, It was probably twelve-ish.

Detective 1: Like noon?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay. And do you understand what I’m saying though? You able to communicate okay enough? It didn’t, you know, make you not be able to…

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay. And no alcohol. And you said you can read and write?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: Alright. Perfect, awesome. Okay, I want to ask you some questions, but I want to go over your rights. We are currently at 501 East [street] Street, which is the police memorial building. Today is August the 5th, 2017 and it’s approximately 7:15. Make sure about that. Yep. 7:15 p.m. give or take. Um, can you, will you read that? Just that top line for me?

Lee Rodarte: You have the following rights under the United States Constitution.

Detective 1: Perfect. I will read these with you, and you can kind of just follow. Um, you do not have to make a statement or say anything. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before you make a statement or before any questions are ask of you and to have the lawyer with you during any questioning. If you can not afford to higher a lawyer, one will be appointed to you before any questioning if you wish. If you do answer questions, you also have the right to stop answering those questions at any time and consult with your attorney or with a lawyer. Do you understand those rights?

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Detective 1: Okay awesome. If you just sign there that you understand that. That isn’t admitting or not saying anything, it’s just saying that you understand your rights.

Lee Rodarte: Okay.

Detective 1: Perfect. I appreciate it that. Alright so, um, Savannah. You said you knew her, and guys had… Uh, you knew her from work. I mean, just fill me in. How long have you known her…?

Lee Rodarte: Like I said, I have known her obviously since she start, since she started working there. Um, I would say probably about eight months ago or so we started hanging out outside of work. Um, and at the time I had a girlfriend. Um, but we kind of, you know, we kind of connected, me and Savannah. So, we hung out a little bit here and there. Um, got pretty close. Uh, we come from I guess somewhat similar, uh, backgrounds I guess you should say.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, she didn’t have it the best growing up, neither did I. So, we kind of connected. Hung out for a while. Probably would say a period of two, three months. Um, and then she started using drugs a lot. Now, I used them with her, not the same drugs that she used all the time, um but I did them with her a couple times. And then she started to get heavy into them.

Detective 1: Oh, gotcha.

Lee Rodarte: So, um. I kind of just, uh, try to take a step back and, you know, put things off. Um, and after that, um, me and my ex started kind of chit chatting again [cross talk]

Detective 1: Okay, and who’s that? What’s her name?

Lee Rodarte: Her name’s Chelsea.

Detective 1: Okay, alright.

Lee Rodarte: Um, so, we kind of started chit chatting again, never really hundred percent because obviously she was still kind of upset about me hanging out with Savannah and stuff like that. Um, and then probably a month or so ago, um, I saw Savannah again at work and she looked healthy again. You know, she gained a little bit of weight and uh, just, you know, friendly talk at work. You know, telling her, you know, hope everything has been good and she told me, you know, that I guess she did a lot of drugs and ended up in the hospital. She ended up missing like, I want to say, a couple days, three or four days of work.

Detective 1: Oh okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, so obviously, you know, me being pretty close to her I was concerned and everything. But after she came back, she looked good. She ended up telling me that, I guess, uh, you know, over those four days she detoxed pretty well. She kind of caught a… new sense into why she should do so much drugs …

Detective 1: Good for her.

Lee Rodarte: so much. And like I said, she looked good. She started looking healthy so, uh, we were kind of talking here and there and we hung out a couple times. Um, she came over to the house and we just kind of kicked back, drank a couple beers, watched movies, stuff like that. Um, and then as we hung out, you know, after a couple times, she brought drugs over. Um, and I told her, you’re doing really good. You can’t, you know, you shouldn’t be doing it again. You’re finally gaining weight. Because when we were together the first time, she was you know, she got really petite and just didn’t look well. Which is kind of why I took a step back plus, uh, my father used a lot of drugs growing up, my mother used a lot of drugs growing up. And it was just kind of a hard thing to see, you know, every time that we hung out.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Like I said, we did, uh like we took some pain pills here and there, on occasion, but then she started like bringing heroin over and stuff like that. That’s, uh. My mom was addicted to methamphetamines when she was, when I was younger. So those hard, like hard drugs does kind of scare me a little but so that’s why I stepped back the first time. Then I felt like she was better as we hung out recently and then she brought drugs over to my house the last time we hung out and uh, we would text here and there. I would ask her how she was doing, you know, hope her day was going good just… because I told her the last time we hung out I was like, you know, you’re doing really well, stop doing this, you know, you can do it.

Detective 1: Yeah, yeah. No doubt.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and I heard that she kept, was doing the same thing.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, so, we texted a couple times and I end up telling her “hey, you know, for one I’m dealing with a lot of personal stuff myself right now as it is. I’m a little depressed. Um, but I think we’re moving too fast. I think we should stop talking”. Um, and she said “I understand, it’s completely fine. No problem”, you know. She said “I’ll delete your number. I’ll never text you again”.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And I said “same”. And I was like “I’m sorry. Like, I didn’t mean to, you know, try to jump back into things, I just, I think we moved too fast”. Um, and I said I wouldn’t text her either. Just to be, you know, kind of split.

Detective 1: Mutual, yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and that was the last time that we text.

Detective 2: When was that?

Lee Rodarte: Um, it was probably a couple, two or three weeks ago.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Sometime in July.

Detective 1: Right right. Yeah, I think that was one of the things you said was that was the last time that you had contact with her as far as, and I don’t want to put words in your mouth so you correct me if I’m wrong”

Lee Rodarte: That’s the last time that I text her.

Detective 1: Text or phone call or messenger or any like that is two to three weeks?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay. And um, the last time… When was the last time you saw her?

Lee Rodarte: This is what I was [inaudible]. I didn’t tell you the truth when we talked [inaudible]. The last time I saw her was Wednesday afternoon.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um. I heard that she has been, basically telling a lot people at work that, um, we hooked up a bunch a couple days before that and that she was going to like, tell about the whole situation and try to get me fired.

Detective 1: Why, why would that get you fired?

Lee Rodarte: Well, I’m a manager and she’s an employee.

Detective 1: Okay, so you guys aren’t supposed to fraternize?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay, I gotcha.

Lee Rodarte: And she just told people she was out with at work at the restaurant that we were having sex and hooking up and stuff like that. That I was her boyfriend and this and that. Um, so I was a little upset. Obviously, you know, I care about my job. Um…

Detective 1: Sure, how long have you been working there again?

Lee Rodarte: Um, it’ll be five years in December.

Detective 1: Okay, yeah. Right.

Lee Rodarte: So I was a little upset. Um, so. I met her in the parking lot at BoneFish.

Detective 1: When was this?

Lee Rodarte: Wednesday afternoon.

Detective 1: Okay. Do you know what time or about?

Lee Rodarte: Um, it was about 5:30.

Detective 1: Okay.

Detective 2: When you say you met her, was she meeting you too or…

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t call her…

Detective 2: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I just drove up there to see if maybe she was working. I was going to, you know, talk to her and um…

Detective 1: Did you know if she was working that night?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I did.

Detective 1: You did not.

Lee Rodarte: I did.

Detective 1: Oh, you did.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Oh, I’m sorry. So, you knew she was working that night.

Lee Rodarte: So, I drove up there and was hoping I would get the chance to talk to her.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, I pulled in the parking lot. She pulled in a little bit after me. I parked. And I said “Hey, can I talk to you for a second?” um, and she said “yeah, what’s up?” and I was like “I heard you’ve been saying some things about me and you continuing to hang out and we’re boyfriend and girlfriend and she asked me, she said “Can I come sit in the car because I just did some heroin and I’m a little paranoid”.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I said, “why are you doing that?” You know, you’ve been doing really well, you shouldn’t be doing that.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um and, she came and got in the car and I explained to her the situation that, I told her that servers and Bone Fish were coming to me and telling me that you’re telling people when you’re out that we’re having sex and we’re boyfriend and girlfriend and I said “I would appreciate, you know, I need you to stop. Because for one this is jeopardizing my job. We agreed to, you know, split. Stop talking mutually and just move on and you know, be cordial or whatever” but um, it was nothing more than that.  And she said “I’m going to do what I want, uh, you can believe what you want, I didn’t tell anybody anything” and I told her, I said “the girl that you were out with told Chelsea that we were still having sex and that you were just at my house like yesterday, hanging out” and..

Detective 1:  That she was out with when?

Lee Rodarte: That Savannah was out with a couple nights prior.

Detective 1:  Okay. Gotcha.

Lee Rodarte: I guess at one of the bars [cross talk]

Detective 1:  And who’s that?

Lee Rodarte: The girl that she…

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: The girl that she was with? He name was Rachel.

Detective 1:  Rachel. Okay. Rachel told Chelsea that…

Lee Rodarte: Savannah was saying that uh… cause me and Chelsea talk, we are very, you know, friendly at work, you know. We joke back and forth “haha” and uh, um, and Savannah said “Yeah, I did say that”, you know, uh “I don’t really like Chelsea”, you know. And I said “look, you need to stop because for one, like I said, we agreed to go our separate ways, and this is jeopardizing my job and it is making me really upset having to come into work. You know? Or talk to Chelsea and she just constantly, you know, badgering me about stuff that you’re saying that isn’t true.

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Um. And I told her that she needs to stop. Um. At that point…

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I said “Stop, I’m serious. I don’t want to talk to you, it’s not good for us, so let’s stop” and she just said, “why did you do that?” I said “well, I’m upset” and she said, “fuck you”, you know “you’re a piece of shit”. She said she was going to keep talking, telling lies and stuff about me and everything like that, and I said…

[edited]

Lee Rodarte: and at that point, uh, she had a phone in her hand, she got out of the car and walked towards the main entrance of San Jose.

Detective 1:  So, like if, um.

Lee Rodarte: So, like if this is…

Detective 1:  I know Bone Fish is over here, this is San Jose, this is the bank over here in this area. Where were you guys parked?

Lee Rodarte: She was parked here.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, to the left of the five-star ATM.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I was parked here.

Detective 1:  Okay, alright, so you’re like here?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, um, I was, I was probably three spaces away.

Detective 1:  Okay, from her car?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um so.

Detective 1:  And what do you drive?

Lee Rodarte: I drive a Chevy Malibu.

Detective 1:  Okay. What color is it?

Lee Rodarte: Silver.

Detective 1: Silver Chevy Malibu.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Does it have Colorado tags, Florida tags, Georgia tags?

Lee Rodarte: Florida tags.

Detective 1:  Okay. And um, did you, when you got there did you pull into the parking place or did you park sideways, did you…

Lee Rodarte: I backed in, I backed in.

Detective 1:  Okay, you backed in.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  You backed into this parking space over by the bank area um, by the five-star ATM.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: And you’re driving a Silver Chevy Malibu with a Florida tag. Okay. And she pulls in over on this side of you?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay, so like, if you’re in your car and you’re sitting here, she would be on your left, the driver side.

Lee Rodarte: So, if I’m sitting facing forward, yeah, she would be on the driver’s side.

Detective 1:  Does she back in, does she pull in?

Lee Rodarte: She pulled in.

Detective 1:  Okay. Alright. So, when she gets out she’s close enough to you and that’s when you motioned her over or called her over or said “hey can I talk to you”…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, I said “hey can I talk to you”.

Detective 2: Were you by yourself?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 2: Okay. Nobody in the car with you?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Nobody in the car with her?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Okay, alright. What was she wearing?

Lee Rodarte: Um, her uniform.

Detective 1:  Her uniform. Okay. Alright. And then she comes over, she says “can I get in the car?” If I say anything wrong, correct me. Okay? I’m going to repeat back but if I don’t get something right, I need you to make sure I’m saying the right thing. Okay. Um, you say “hey, can I talk to you” and she walks over, approaches on the driver’s side. You in the car or out of the car?

Lee Rodarte: In the car.

Detective 1: Okay. You’re sitting in the driver’s seat?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay. Um, and she, she asked if she can get in because she just did heroin and she, how does she do it? Does she shoot up, smoke it, snort?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, she snorts it.

Detective 1:  Okay. And then…

Lee Rodarte: She’s told me she shot up before, but…

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Never in front of me.

Detective 1:  Okay, and then she comes and gets in the car with you?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Is your car a two door or four door?

Lee Rodarte: Four door.

Detective 1: Four door. Does she get in the front seat, back seat?

Lee Rodarte: She gets in the back and I ask why she got in the back.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and she was like “I just don’t want anybody to see me”, you know.

Detective 2: And when did you get in, too?

Lee Rodarte: Um, she said “you can come back here, and we can talk”

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: So, I got out and got in the back seat.

Detective 1:  Okay so you guys are both in the back seat now?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay, gotcha. Alright, alright. I wasn’t sure. Um, and then how the conversation went basically you’re telling her to leave you alone. Stop harassing you or why are you telling people we’re having sex and you guys; um you don’t want to jeopardize your job.

Lee Rodarte: I just told her, you know, especially since she was high I was like “we just don’t need to have anything to do with each other” and uh, she said “fuck you, I’m going to keep doing this” and whatever. So…

Detective 1:  Alright.

Lee Rodarte: So, I got out and…

[edited]

Detective 1: And then you got back in and then what did you say to her?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I said “you know, could you leave me alone? Like, I’m serious, I don’t want to talk to you.” And she said, “fuck you, why’d you do that?” And I said, she continued to say that she was going to do whatever she wants and say what she wants no matter what and I knew in my mind it was because she was high.

Detective 1:  Yeah, so what did you say to all that? [cross talk] Obviously you got to get pissed.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, I got aggravated.

Detective 1: I would too.

Lee Rodarte: I got frustrated and I said [edited] and then…

Detective 1:  Now you [edited]

Lee Rodarte: No you go ahead.

Detective 1:  Um, we were told that had happened before to her car. Have you heard that?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t hear that her car was vandalized before.

Detective 1:  You have?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Okay, so you didn’t know about that.

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Okay. Same deal, okay. Alright. Okay, what were you saying something about, the um, you were, did you get back in the car?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  And did you get in the front seat or back seat?

Lee Rodarte: I got in the front seat.

Detective 1:  Okay. That time you got in the front seat. Where is she?

Lee Rodarte: She was in the back seat still and at that point I said, you know, “now leave me alone”. She responded [edited] and she said, “fuck you” you know, “I’ll do what I want” and she got out, and it looked like she was either texting or calling somebody.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, because as she started walking towards the, there’s an entrance to the, um, to the plaza…

Detective 1:  Okay, closer towards the 295.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: I wouldn’t say she was walking along the edge of the plaza, but she was walking maybe towards this way and I would say an older model Ford pickup…

Detective 1:  Mm-hm

Lee Rodarte: Green.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Uh, drove past me and around, and she got in.

Detective 1:  Okay. So, um, she, had she, when you guys are talking in the car back and forth, she’s not, is she calling somebody while you guys are talking back and forth on the phone?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t see, she didn’t call anybody, no. She had her phone in her hand.

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: But um, but I don’t think she texts anybody.

Detective 1:  So, she gets out of the car with you and starts walking this direction.

Lee Rodarte: I was in the car.

Detective 1:  You were in the car, but she got out.

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1:  Now you’re in the front seat. So, she gets out of the back seat and starts walking towards, or in the direction of, not necessarily paralleling San Jose, but she’s walking towards 295 or down towards that entrance area, um, and then she has her phone and you thought she was calling somebody.

Lee Rodarte: Um, she was, she had it in her hand and it looked like, I mean, I couldn’t tell if she was texting or not or anything…

Detective 1:  But she had her phone out.

Lee Rodarte: She had her phone out and she was looking at it. And then, uh, it looked like she was going to put it up to her ear and then the green truck came around …

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And

Detective 1:  So how long do you think, um, it was between the time she got out and started using her phone and that green truck pulled up?

Lee Rodarte: Um, maybe five minutes.

Detective 1:  Okay, so wow. So, if she called somebody, they got there in five minutes to pick her up.

Lee Rodarte: I mean, like I said it looked like she, she was going to call somebody and that’s when the green truck came around and she got in.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. She gets in the truck. What happened at that point?

Lee Rodarte: Um, they drove back around, kind of looped around a little bit

Detective 1:  Which way did they drive?

Lee Rodarte: So, she was say, here. The green truck comes here, and then kind of like, loops around, and it looked like, I guess they exited that way and at that point I left.

Detective 2: They exited going which way down [inaudible]?

Lee Rodarte: Um, toward [inaudible]. I guess to leave the, uh…

Detective 1:  So, they come out of the back side of this bank, like this way…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Towards Clair and San Jose.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  And then you pull out. Which way do you go?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I go around and then go out…

Detective 1:  The same way.

Lee Rodarte: The same way, yeah.

Detective 1:  And where do you go from there?

Lee Rodarte: From there, I go home.

Detective 1:  Go straight home.

Detective 2: Tell me your route that you went.

Lee Rodarte: Uh, 295 all the way to Peach Blvd, Peach Blvd to Grove Park.

Detective 1:  How long does that usually take you? Depending on traffic obviously.

Lee Rodarte: Mmm… [inaudible] I think it usually takes me about 25 minutes or so.

Detective 1:  Okay. What happened to your neck?

Lee Rodarte: That was self-inflicted, actually.

Detective 1:  Why?

Lee Rodarte: I just been having a hard time, uh, I couldn’t…

Detective 2: To your neck?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah and [displays arm]

Detective 2: What did you use?

Lee Rodarte: A knife.

Detective 2: When did you do that?

Lee Rodarte: Um.. sometime in July.

Detective 2: You did that in July and it’s still…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 2:  Bloody-ish.

Lee Rodarte: Well, it’s, I kind of peel the scab here and there at work. [inaudible] stuff like that. I peeled it last night working.  Um, this was coming off a bit today, so I peeled that a little bit.

Detective 1:  Okay, let me see.

Lee Rodarte: But this and this was the same night. This one was just a lot worse…

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Than this one was.

Detective 1:  Okay, and this was in July?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Like a few weeks back?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. So, who, could you see who the person in the truck was?

Lee Rodarte: Um, the truck had fairly tinted windows. I saw a baseball cap.

Detective 1:  Yeah. Okay. Guy, girl, white, black?

Lee Rodarte:  I couldn’t really tell, if it was a guy or a girl. Um, I just remember seeing the truck drive and her get in.

Detective 1:  Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: I’m sitting in the front and the truck drives right past me and I saw a baseball cap through the passenger window. Um, but…

Detective 1:  So, it seemed like she knew the person?

Lee Rodarte: I mean, she got right in.

Detective 1:  Had you ever, um, seen that truck before?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Never.

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  Have you seen it since then?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Did she say…

Detective 2: Why… Go ahead.

Detective 1: Did she say anything to you when she got out of the car other than fuck you?

Lee Rodarte: She was just like “fuck you. I’m going to do what I want.”

Detective 1:  She doesn’t say anything other than that? Okay.

Detective 2: Why didn’t you mention this before since we’ve been looking for this girl? I mean, don’t you think this information [cross talk]

Lee Rodarte: I mean it definitely, it definitely does. And I regret not saying anything before. Um, I mean, I talked to Chelsea and she said, “you need to tell them everything you know”.

Detective 1:  When did you talk to Chelsea? You talked to Chelsea about this?

Lee Rodarte: Yes. Um, the day that it happened. Because, I mean, her whole issue was me hanging out with Savannah prior.

Detective 1:  Sure, and if Savannah is out of the picture then you guys can be free to have your relationship, be back together.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  Yeah, I mean. Savannah is in the way, in essence. She kind of creeped in, she sounds like an ass to you. If she’s out there telling people you guys are having sex, or if you are, um then she’s the one pushing your buttons, she’s pushing Chelsea…

Lee Rodarte: I mean I told Chelsea I was going to tell her to leave me alone.

Detective 1:  You were going to tell Savannah?

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  When did you tell Chelsea that?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I believe it was Tuesday night, maybe.

Detective 1:  Tuesday. Okay. Um, and you, how do you guys talk? Facebook? Text?

Lee Rodarte: Text message.

Detective 1:  Okay. And do you have a Facebook?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1:  You don’t have one at all?

Lee Rodarte: Um… I had one. I deactivated it, maybe a month or two ago.

Detective 1:  It’s still there, just don’t use it or…

Lee Rodarte: I deactivated it the account.

Detective 1:  Okay, so you don’t even have one that’s out there then.

Lee Rodarte: No. Um, I did have one when Savannah and I first started talking. That was kind of how we talked.

Detective 1: A way for you guys to talk without Chelsea knowing what was going on. I’m not telling Chelsea I’m just…

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1:  So, when I come up and talk to you yesterday, I’m not threatening, I’m talking to everybody up there, what?

Lee Rodarte: I freaked out, to be honest with you.

Detective 1:  That this girl is missing?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1:  Okay, but you know she’s been missing. I mean, you knew from, from essence from day one, that she’s been missing. And you um, you freaked out [cross talk]

Lee Rodarte: Obviously you know, you know I was the last one to see her, so I was a little bit scared about that. Um, and…

Detective 1:  How do you know, you just said you weren’t the last one to see her, you just said somebody in a truck…

Lee Rodarte: Well, I mean, the last one to see her at Bone Fish. Last one she’s heard from, had contact that anybody knows of.

Detective 1:  Sure.

Lee Rodarte: Um, and I know, thought that I had a warrant out already.

Detective 1:  Okay. What’s the warrant for?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, I didn’t go to a court date for a ticket.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. But I talked to you last night and I didn’t have handcuffs, I wasn’t threatening in any way…

Lee Rodarte: Definitely not but I mean…

Detective 1:  And I left so what were you, what were you, if you were worried you were going to get arrested then it would have happened.

Lee Rodarte: Well, that’s another reason that uh, my, Chelsea called me, and I said “you know, I told them I didn’t know anything, what do I do now, you know, I already…”

Detective 1:  When did you tell Chelsea that? When did you talk to her?

Lee Rodarte: Um, about

Detective 1:  It had to be after last night so was it today?

Lee Rodarte: No. I didn’t talk to her today.

Detective 1:  Okay, so how was I up there talking to you at about 11 o’clock but you talked to her after?

Lee Rodarte: I’m sorry, it was earlier in the day. I, cause, obviously I told her what happened, the day that it happened. Um, and told her that I was going to tell Savannah to leave me alone.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: The day before. And after I told her about what happened about me, you know, getting in the car with some guy. Um, she, we talked a little bit just about, you know, how it’s kind of crazy, you know what I’m saying. And I said, “you know, she hasn’t hung out with the best of people in her past.”

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: Um, she asked if I knew who it was. Said “no”. Um, just told her it was a green truck. Um, and then everything happened, and her mom and police came up there and everything like that, so we talked Thursday night. And she said, “you need to tell somebody”.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And I was like, how, I don’t know what to do, I’m scared. You know, I don’t want to get in trouble for, you know, anything or have anything, you know, be a suspect or anything like that. Which, I mean, was obviously not the right decision to make.

Detective 1:  Yeah, yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Because now…

[cross talk]

Detective 2: We could have been three days ahead with this.

Lee Rodarte: Obviously. Obviously now it looks, um…

Detective 1:  So, um, so you’re saying that there’s a green, what kind of truck was it?

Lee Rodarte: It looked like a Ford. Mid-90’s.

Detective 1:  Mm-hm. Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: It was a two door. Maybe the one with the little third door that you open from the side.

Detective 1: Okay. Um, well, the good thing about that is, um, we should be able to verify all of that, all of this kind of thing, so that won’t be a problem at all. Um, yeah, I’m just, I don’t know. So you said you told her that you had talked to us, but I don’t think, chronologically I don’t think that matches up.

Lee Rodarte: We, we talked Thursday and…

Detective 1:  Not last night [inaudible]

Lee Rodarte: No. We talked Thursday after like, her mom and everything was on the news.

Detective 1: Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: And she called me and was like “hey everything is all over the news. Uh, you need to, you need to tell somebody you know. She said “Call the hotline” or something like that.

Detective 2: Did you call the hotline?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I told her I did just because in my head I wasn’t, I was scared to call that night.

Detective 2: So, but did you ever call the hotline?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: So, this, you haven’t told anyone about this yet, other than Chelsea.

Lee Rodarte: Chelsea is the only person that knows.

Detective 1:  Okay. Okay. You …

Lee Rodarte: Just because I felt like I could, you know, [cross talk]

Detective 1:  So how did that conversation go with you and Chelsea, um?

Lee Rodarte: She kept asking me what happened, you know, what happened. And I would tell her and she said it’s crazy. Um, and then she told me that, you know, I need to call somebody and let them know that I was talking to her Wednesday, um, before the news said she went missing.

Detective 1: Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: And I said I would.

Detective 1:  Okay.

Lee Rodarte: And I didn’t.

Detective 1:  How did, how did the conversation end with you guys?

Lee Rodarte: She was, she told me, she basically said she’s not going to, she doesn’t want to associate with me because I talked to Savannah on Wednesday. [cross talk]

Detective 1:  You already told her you were going to do that.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay, so, here…

Lee Rodarte: See, the thing with, me and Chelsea would argue all the time about me not telling Savannah…

Detective 1: To cut it off or whatever.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah. Yeah.

Detective 1:  But you go up, and you meet, Chelsea knows you’re going to go meet Savannah Wednesday afternoon.

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1:  She knows that. Afterwards, do you guys talk about how that conversation went?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: Okay, so you guys, so she knows how the conversation ended.

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: And you told her that night, Wednesday night, about the truck and about the [edited]. Was there ever, you just called her and told her?

Lee Rodarte: No, we spoke first via text.

Detective 1: Okay, um. So, you text her from your phone [edited] so that’s on your phone?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 1: Okay, so that text message is on your phone?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Why not?

Lee Rodarte: [Edited] You know, they said Savannah was missing, ‘cause I freaked out. I was like, holy crap.

Detective 1: Yeah. That sounds like, sounds crazy.

Lee Rodarte: Which is, which is… I mean obviously me sending a picture of one of the things they pointed out on the news kind of, scared me.

Detective 1: Sure, absolutely. Um, so how, how, did you all get together or talk anymore Wednesday night? How, did she do a follow up with you? How did the conversation go? How did the rest of Wednesday go?

Lee Rodarte: Um, we, she called me on my way home. Um, and you know, asked where I was. I told her, I was like “pulling into my neighborhood”. Um, and then we just talked about the situation. She asked what I said to Savannah. What Savannah said to me and you know [edited] Because she was texting me while Savannah and I were talking and I didn’t reply because we were talking and, you know, we were going back and forth so I didn’t text her back. So I told her I’m not ignoring you, we were talking [edited] So she called me and asked me what I was doing, I said I was in my neighborhood, about to go home. Uh, went home. Uh, we texted a little bit more here and there. She asked me what I was doing, told her I was eating. I sent her a picture after I got out of the shower because she was like “oh you haven’t gotten any pics” this and that so um as I was getting out of the shower I got the text message and texted her a picture of me getting out of the shower and uh she said she didn’t believe I was home or something like that.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: So I sent her a picture. And other than I hung out at the house.

Detective 1: Okay.

Detective 2: By yourself?

Lee Rodarte: No. I have a roommate.

Detective 2: Okay, what’s his name?

Lee Rodarte: Aaron. A-A-R-O-N. Bieger. B-I-E-G-E-R.

Detective 2: B-I-E-G-E-R.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah, he’s um,

Detective 1: P or B?

Lee Rodarte: B.

Detective 1: B. Okay, he’s what? I’m sorry.

Lee Rodarte: He’s who I moved in with.

Detective 1: Okay. So, Wednesday night over at your house it’s you and Aaron.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah.

Detective 1: Okay. Okay.

Detective 2: Is Aaron there when you get home?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: What time did he get home?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, 11ish.

Detective 1: Okay.

Lee Rodarte: A little bit after.

Detective 2: So before that you just hung out at the house by yourself and ate?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I ate some dinner, took a shower, Chelsea actually came over Wednesday night, if I’m not mistaken.

Detective 1: Okay.

Detective 2: And what did you all do?

Lee Rodarte: Just hung out, watch movies, drunk a couple beers.

Detective 1: Okay. Um. So where, where, when she’s in the car what is she, what does she say to you about what her plans are? So, she’s scheduled to work that night. So, she’s going to work?

Lee Rodarte: We didn’t talk about, uh, I assumed she was going to work. Um, she was in her uniform.  But she didn’t say, when she got out of the car she doesn’t say anything after she gets out of the car.

Detective 1: And she gets in that truck she, lets be honest, we wont even call her she, Savannah, okay. Um, Savannah, again with this picture if we are using it in the same place, from where you’re drawing was, they drove over here. You’re here, and you, they drive out over here. Do they stop? Does she stop and get out and go to work? Does the truck keep going?

Lee Rodarte: Um, I didn’t see once they turned the corner past the ATM. Once she got in and they left, I left. Cause I just…

Detective 1: Did you run into them on the road anywhere?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay. Did she call you later on or text you later on?

Lee Rodarte: Savannah? No.

Detective 1: No other contact with her?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: So, where’s Savannah right now?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: Where would I find her?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: That’s my prime objective is to find her.

Lee Rodarte: Definitely.

Detective 1: I think time’s running out on her and I think that….

Lee Rodarte: I mean, I’ve, I should have said something to you guys when I talked to you guys.

Detective 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah.

Lee Rodarte: I should have said something Wednesday or when Thursday when it was brought to everyone’s attention.

Detective 1: So, tell me how I go from nice guy, never met you, you seem like a nice guy, I come up and talk to you, again, you know, you agreed there was nothing threatening or anything about our conversation. Just asking you for some simple basic things. Where we just talked for a few minutes. And you, um, didn’t tell me this story. I’m not going to say the truth because I think there’s holes in this story too.

Lee Rodarte: Okay.

Detective 1: Um, so you don’t tell me this story and then today we’re talking again because I brought you down to talk to you because I found holes in that story that didn’t match up and now you’re telling me another story that has holes that does not match up. So, where’s Savannah?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: Why were you being hesitant about Chelsea being at your house? First you said that you were by yourself, you ate alone

Lee Rodarte: Yes, I ate dinner alone. Yes.

Detective 2: Right, but that’s not true either because you ordered Pa Pa Johns for you and Chelsea. [cross talk]

Lee Rodarte: I ate, I ate corndogs earlier in the evening and when Chelsea got there, she was hungry, so I said…

Detective 2: But you clearly said you were alone.

Lee Rodarte: When I ate the corndogs, yeah.

Detective 2: Okay, yeah. Well you know what I’m saying.

Lee Rodarte: I remember specifically texting Chelsea “I’m eating corndogs”.

Detective 1: And all that is on your phone?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: Why would you delete all that?

Detective 1: Just a conversation with you and Chelsea you would delete about “I’m having corndogs”?

Lee Rodarte: That text might be on there.

Detective 1: Okay, but she…

Lee Rodarte: We got to talking about me going up to Bone Fish and everything like that.

Detective 1: Yeah. Yeah.

Lee Rodarte: Chelsea said, you know “don’t involve me”, you know…

Detective 1: Does Chelsea believe you?

Lee Rodarte: She, I don’t know…

Detective 1: Okay. Um, just so you know, Chelsea thinks you’re bullshitting. Okay, because we’ve talked to her. We’ve talked to a lot of people.

Lee Rodarte: I mean, that’s about the gist of, you know, Chelsea’s attitude towards me for the most part for the past months. Ever since me and Savannah.

Detective 2: Is that because you’re a liar? I mean, to her, in the past?

Lee Rodarte: That’s pretty much what she labels me as, yeah. Because…

Detective 2: Do you lie?

Lee Rodarte: Not about every, no, obviously to her about hanging out with Savannah and stuff like that…

Detective 2: Okay.

Detective 1:  And you lied to me, about Savannah.

Lee Rodarte: Yes sir.

Detective 1: Okay. So, I’m just, I’m not trying to say anything…

Lee Rodarte: I understand.

Detective 1: I’m just trying to lay out the facts. I want to find this girl. I need to find her.

Lee Rodarte: I understand.

Detective 1: Here’s a couple reasons I need to find her. One is, um, I’m hoping that she is still alive. And that’s really, I’m really do, I’m holding out for that, um, and if she’s not alive then I think she and her family are due that knowledge. I think they need some closure. Um, cause I think the reality is, if somebody you know is dead somewhere a parent would want to know.  I think if, do you have kids?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Okay so, one day when you have kids, you, what beyond certainty is, is whatever kind of person she is, and I’m not about to say what kind of person she is, um, because I’m not making any judgements. I’m saying, this human being, if she’s alive, then I want to find her. I need to make sure she’s okay because it’s been several days now, she hasn’t been around. Some, there’s, things that happen to the human body and some people can’t stand a lot of things that can transpire. But the other thing is is if she’s not alive this family deserves better than this. This family deserves better than somebody who works with her and who has knowledge but won’t tell the police because they’re worried about their own ass. Because that’s pretty cheap. I’m going to be honest with you

Lee Rodarte: I agree

Detective 1: Your feelings in it? I don’t really care about your feelings. What I care about finding her. So, where is she?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 1: Where is Savannah?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: I need to know Savannah is so I can let her family is.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 1: You don’t know because you had something done with her and you weren’t involved with that part? I don’t know. Tell me something. What can I work with?

Lee Rodarte: I told you the last time I saw her.

Detective 2: That’s not true because we have proof. We have proof. And that’s why we’re sitting here, Lee. At this point where we need that for her. I mean, I look at that little girl and I think of my little girl. My little girl that’s her age. That’s who I think about. If that was my little girl, I couldn’t imagine. I don’t care what she said about you or whatever. But my little girl is that age.

Detective 1: Maybe…

Detective 2: And you’re not telling the truth.

Detective 1: Maybe something get’s out of hand in the car.

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t do anything.

Detective 2: Okay, you didn’t do anything, but she was in your car. She never got out of your car. She never got out of your car, Lee.

Detective 1: We’re not saying you did anything. I’m trying to find her. I didn’t say you did anything.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 2: Well, we can prove that you left with her in the car. So please, do, do, do everybody a favor and just tell us.

Detective 1: Where is she?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: You got to be able to separate. We’re not saying you did anything to her. I don’t know, she’s on drugs. Maybe she passed out. I don’t know. I’m not in that car with you guys. I know that she’s in that car with you. I have proof of all of this.

Detective 2: Okay I’m going to ask you Lee, you tell us now if you’re being honest [inaudible] are you being honest?

Lee Rodarte: Yes.

Detective 2: Okay then let’s start being honest. She never got out of your back seat. Lee, she never got out of your back seat. Video cameras don’t lie. How do you know, how do you know, how do you think I know this information, Lee? I wasn’t there. But a video camera caught it.

Detective 1: Tell me what happened.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 1: How did, how, what happened to her? Was it an overdose? Is that what happened? I don’t know. I’m not in the car with you guys. You just said she was in your car and she had admittedly done heroin. Bodies overdose all the time, is that what happens? Did she overdose?

Detective 2: Okay, well so tell us when you left with her in the car, that is what is shown, we can’t make up that. We can’t falsify video camera, Lee. I’m not lying to you. Because you know I’m telling the truth because you know what’s on the video. How else would I know that? I don’t unless I have the video. Where did you go with her?

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t go anywhere with her.

Detective 2: You did.

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: You did. So, the video cameras lie?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know this, I mean…

Detective 2: Well, I’m telling you, I’m telling you I’m not lying. I’m not making that up. That’s why I’m so passionate about this. This is someone child. You might not have kids, but damn it, she’s someone’s kid. It’s not fair to her mom with stage four cancer. When all she wants to know is where her daughter is but have this man sitting over here. A 28-year-old man, that first says you haven’t seen her, you didn’t see her that day, to now the roles have reversed a little bit, because we have been doing our background okay? And now you’re saying that she was sitting in your car, which all lines up with the video, actually, I’m glad you said you got in the back seat with her, all that lines up [edited]. You know what doesn’t line up? That passenger door comes open, and shuts, opens and shuts. She never gets out of that car. And you drive off. She never gets out of that car. There is no green truck. And that’s not right to her. We are fact finders, Lee. We don’t have anything personal against you.

Detective 1: No, no. Not at all. It’s over. Just tell us what happened.  Where is she?

Detective 2: We’re fact finders, just doing our job.

[Rodarte shakes head “no”]

Detective 2: No, no, no. Where did you go with her? Where did you go with her, Lee. You’re human, you’re human, you’re a man. Where did you go with her? I know you’re not that cruel inside. Seriously, where did you go with her?

Detective 1: Maybe, maybe you don’t know where she is now. Where did go with her?

Detective 2:  Please. Please. I’m begging you, Lee. Please. Please tell us. Please don’t make us waste any more of our time. Just tell us. Please tell us, please. I’m begging you; I know you’re not evil. Just tell us where she is. I’m begging, please. Please. Can you please just tell me? Is that how you want it, people to think. I know you’re not an evil person. I don’t see that in you. I don’t see that in your history. I don’t hear that those things about you at work. Please tell us where you went with her. She never got out of your car. Please tell us, please, please. I’m begging you. For her family. Please. Please. She didn’t get out of her car and you know that obviously. Please. Please, Lee. I’m begging you as a human.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: You do.

Lee Rodarte: Like

Detective 2: Just please, Lee. Please. Please don’t make us do this any longer.

Detective 1: For her, for her, for her family. [cross talk] Just tell us where she is. Where did you go?

Detective 2: Can you, can you just tell us? Where did you go with her then?

Detective 1: Where did you go with her? Can you at least tell us that?

Detective 2: Can you at least tell us that part? Where did you go with her afterwards? She didn’t get out of your car and you know that obviously

Detective 1: Yeah [inaudible] that’s why we are here. Just tell us where. Where did you go with her? Tell us that. At least put us in that direction. I owe her family. We’ve been, no one, we are not saying that you intentionally did anything. Just tell us where you went.  Please.

Detective 2: Lee.

Detective 1: You’ve been doing great. You already told us everything we already know.

Detective 2: It’s not right, Lee. This isn’t right for her family or for anybody. No one should have to go through this. I’m just, I’m just human like you are. She’s human. Her family. Everyone has feelings. Please. Now’s, now’s the time to tell us because I don’t think you’re any kind of evil person and I feel like you are going to tell us the truth. I do, I do believe that you’re going to tell us the truth because I believe you do have a conscious. Now’s the time. Please.

Detective 1: [inaudible] Where’d you guys go? I think you’re a good man, I think you want to do the right thing.

Detective 2: When you all left out of there you went down Clair lane and made a left on San Jose back to 295 and you get up on 295. Okay. Where else did you go before you went home? I mean I know you eventually went home.

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t go anywhere. I went straight home.

Detective 2: Okay, so what did you all do when you got home? Savannah was with you. She was with you. And that’s okay at that point but I know that, here does she go from there? Is she still at your house?

Lee Rodarte:  No.

Detective 2: Okay. Is she still in your car?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 2: Okay. Well then, where is she?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know where she is.

Detective 2: Okay. Where did you last drop her off at?

Lee Rodarte: I didn’t drop her off.

Detective 2: Okay, tell me.

Detective 1: Where did you guys go?

Lee Rodarte: We went to my house, we did some drugs, hung out for a little. Then she said she was going to catch an Uber home.

Detective 2: Okay, and did she call Uber?

Lee Rodarte: She pulled her phone out, looked like she was using it, I wasn’t hoovering over her. I was pretty high. I wasn’t, she told me she was leaving. She walked out the door.

Detective 2: What was going on in the back seat? What was going on in the back seat for the doors to be kicked open? She kicked open that door three times, Lee. She kicked it. We saw it. And you know I’m not making it up because I wouldn’t know this, because I wasn’t there, I would not know this, unless we had video or it. Correct? Yes. Okay, I’m not trying to trick you. I’m just a fact finder.

Detective 1: We’re to going to lie to you.

Detective 2: That door was kicked open three times. Obviously, something went wrong in that back seat. [inaudible] tell me about that. What happened in the back seat, did she get mad at you?

[edited]

Lee Rodarte: We got in arguments plenty of times where she said doesn’t care what happens or anything like that.

Detective 2: Let’s be honest, no one’s going to go with some man willingly after all that. No one’s going to do it. Please tell me where Savannah is.

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: You do know and right now is the time. You’re so close and I know, I know you’re going to tell me. I know you are because I just, I just know you are ‘cause I know you want to do the right thing. You’re scared to do the right thing. I get it.

Lee Rodarte: Yeah

Detective 2: I do.  I’m not…

Lee Rodarte: Can you just tell me what I’m being charged with, please?

Detective 2: Yes.

Detective 1: I want, I want to find her.

Detective 2: I don’t know that yet but at least I do know that your, [inaudible] for your arrest for the DWLS

Lee Rodarte: For what?

Detective 2: For the DWLS. [cross talk] Where, where is Savannah?

Lee Rodarte:  So, what am I being charged with now? Driving with a suspended license?

Detective 2: I don’t know yet. I got to talk to the attorney that’s sitting out there watching this interview. Where’s Savannah?

Lee Rodarte: I don’t know.

Detective 2: You do know. So you’re going to make me, and our team, and this whole entire sheriff’s office and every person in this community to get out there after, you know, we, after they know the truth of who she left with and see’s the struggle in the back seat of your car? And you’re going to make all of us go and search Jacksonville for her when you could easily tell me where she is? Is that what we’re going to put everybody through?

Detective 1: Think about it. Alright. Sometimes people do wrong things. Alright? Sometimes people make mistakes. It’s what you do afterwards. We got a family that needs closure. They’re now coming to the reality that she’s no longer with us. I need closure for them. When stuff gets out that you guys left together and all that type of stuff, do you want people to remember you as the guy who said “okay, look, I’m going to do the right thing”? Or do you want your family and everybody else to think that you’re some evil, heartless person who won’t tell us where she is? Why would you put your family through all of that? I don’t think you’re that kind of guy. I don’t think you’re evil. Something got out of hand, I get it.  What you do after that? Here’s what you do, you do the right thing now. Just tell us where she is. Closure for her family.

Detective 2: Lee, we understand. Listen, we understand.

Detective 1: We’re not trying to hit you on anything.  I’m telling you we are thinking of this girl and her family and your family.

Lee Rodarte: She was…

Detective 1: Please tell me where to go find her. That’s how people will remember you.

[Edited]

Detective 1: We can work with that. You got to do the right thing now. You can do this. You can do the right thing.

[20 minutes edited out]

[Both detectives leave]

[Detective 1 Returns]

Detective 1: I just want to clarify something with you real quick? Okay, um when you [inaudible] I appreciate you being honest about everything.

[Edited]

Detective 1: Um, Have a seat over here. You want some more water or anything?

Lee Rodarte: No.

Detective 1: Give me a few minutes to finish go talking to her.

[Detective 1 exits]

Lee Rodarte: [crying]

[Officer enters]

Officer: Excuse me. Let me get a few more photographs of your hands. [Police radio] Just your hands. I want you to stand over here. Oh yes, hold them like that.

[Police radio]

[Six photo snaps]

Turn them to the other side.

[police radio]

[Six photo snaps]

[Officer exits]

[Rodarte knocks on door]

Staff 1: Yes sir.

Lee Rodarte: Uh, I just have a question.

Staff 1: Yes sir.

Lee Rodarte: One, am I going to be able to get a phone call at some time.

Staff 1: Well yes sir. We’ll, we’ll take you over to the jail and you’ll be able to make a call over there. Yes sir. What’s your other question?

Lee Rodarte: Uh, never mind. The other question is really… ridiculous.

Staff 1: Oh, okay. Alright. Well if you need anything just knock again and I’ll, we’ll try to..

Lee Rodarte: You guys don’t smoke in here, no?

Staff 1: No sir, unfortunately it’s a no smoking building. So, okay.

[staff 1 closes door]

Lee Rodarte: [inaudible] [crying] Damn it, why are you stupid?

Lee Rodarte: Fuck Chelsea. I should have realized she never loved me [cry].  Ah.

[people in another room]

Lee Rodarte: [sigh and grunts]

Lee Rodarte: [inaudible cries] going to jail. My mom’s going to die when I’m in jail. Can’t believe. Fucking idiot, Lee. Fucking stupid. Why are you here? Go…Jeez.

Lee Rodarte: [paces room then puts head on wall] [inaudible cries: what’s wrong with you?] Stupid. [inaudible] it’s so stupid. I’m fucked. Fucked.

Lee Rodarte: [paces room] [inaudible cries] [drinks water] [cries] I guess [inaudible] never tell the truth. [inaudible] I never [inaudible] I loved you. This was never meant to be. What Chelsea thinks. Fuck Chelsea and what she thinks. Fuck it. You did the right thing. She was s’cold. I’m so sorry Savannah, I’m so sorry. Stop! Fuckin’ get killed in jail.

Lee Rodarte: [getting tissues] [inaudible]

Lee Rodarte: Oh man.  Fuck [inaudible], you’re a piece of shit. Savannah was nice to you.  But somebody was a bitch to you. How does that make any sense? Somebody that gave two shits about you. [inaudible] nice.

Lee Rodarte: [puts on jacket] Last time you get to wear your chef coat. Fuck me. [getting tissues]

Lee Rodarte: It’s not supposed to be you. It’s not supposed to be you, Lee. [inaudible] fucking life. God damn it, Chelsea.

Lee Rodarte:  Everything. Cold places man. Get it through your fucking head. Could have just told her to leave, no. Should have grabbed her back.

[Staff 1 enters]

Staff 1: Alright. Okay Lee. Stay right there.

Detective 1: I want to thank you again for being truthful. Um, and you’re right you did have uh one for the driving [inaudible] um, so the deal from here is, you’ll be booked in tonight. Then you will make a first appearance. Um, tomorrow depending on what time you get in or how full they are. It’ll be first thing in the morning or in the afternoon. Probably the afternoon is what I’m thinking. And then at that point you’ll uh, get to see the judge and then you’ll be assigned an attorney but tonight you should be able to make your phone call. Okay? Um, I was going to ask you but I didn’t want to bug you a minute go. I was out there talking to her. One of the [edited]

Lee Rodarte: Alright

[All exits]