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Dalia Dippolito Interrogation Transcript

Dalia Dippolito married Mike Dippolito in 2009. Within 6 months of their marriage, she hired a man to kill her husband. Fortunately, that man was a police officer. Another man Dalia Dippolito was seeing reported to police that he was afraid something was going to happen to either Mike or Dalia Dippolito and the investigation began. Many phone calls were recorded along with a video of Dalia in the undercover police officer’s car stating that she was “5000 percent sure” that she wanted Mike Dippolito dead and agreed to pay a $1200 deposit. After the police staged a crime scene at her house and told her that her husband was shot and murdered, she was taken to the police station for what she believed to be an informal interview. Below is the interrogation where she is confronted by police and they disclose that they were involved the whole time and she is being arrested for solicitation of first degree murder.

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Dalia Dippolito Interrogation Transcript

Investigator: Protocol that we have to do is [inaudible] We’ve got to advise you your rights, so you know. Okay? If you don’t understand any of them, just tell me and I’ll stop and repeat the, first of all let me just tell you I’m sorry for your loss.

Dalia Dippolito: I just want to see my husband [inaudible crying]

Investigator: Alright, hun.

Dalia Dippolito: [inaudible crying] see him.

Investigator: No, no. You don’t want to see him.

Dalia Dippolito: I just want to see him.

Investigator: Believe me, you don’t. Could you listen, please? I am required [inaudible] before you make any statement that you have the following constitutional rights. And as I said, it’s protocol.  If you don’t understand them, tell me you don’t understand them and I’ll explain them to you, okay?

Dalia Dippolito: Okay.

Investigator:  You have the right to remain silent and not answer any questions. Do you understand that? You have, you have to answer me.

Dalia Dippolito: [inaudible cry]

Investigator: Just say yes.

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator: Any statement you make must be freely and voluntarily given. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator: If you have a, you have the right to the presence and representation of a lawyer before you make any statements and during any questioning. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator:  If you can not afford a lawyer you’re entitled to the presence and representation of a court appointed lawyer before you make any statements and during any questions. Do you understand that.

Dalia Dippolito: Yes. Yes.

Investigator: If at anytime during interview you do not wish to answer any questions you [inaudible] to remain silent. Do you understand that? I can make no threats or promises [inaudible] to issue a statement. This must be on your own free will. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator: Any statement can and will be used against you in the court of law. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator: I’m going to ask you to sign it, and date it and I will have Detective Anderson as a witness. Okay?

Dalia Dippolito: Okay.

Investigator: Sign on the exes please.

Detective Anderson: I’ll go ahead and date it, Dalia.

Investigator:  Okay, it’s um, got the time? Got the time on you? Okay, this is uh, this is something, because we’re going to video tape, that I need you to sign also. It gives us the right to video tape it. You want to read that?

Dalia Dippolito: I don’t want to be video taped.

Investigator: Well, you are being video taped. That’s all part of it.

Dalia Dippolito: Who’s number is that?

Investigator: That’s your home number.

Dalia Dippolito: Oh.

Investigator: We got that from our reports that have been filed here. Uh, I mean, I’ll tell you what’s going on here. Okay. Listen, is there anybody that you know that you think would want to kill your husband.

Dalia Dippolito: My husband’s on probation.

Investigator: For what?

Dalia Dippolito: He, for stock fraud.

Investigator:  Stock fraud? How long have you been on probation?

Detective Anderson: Probation or parole? Has he spent any time in prison? How much? Do you know?

Dalia Dippolito: Um. Two years in prison and five years on probation. So came out to six years.

Investigator: Oh, oh my god. And what was that for?

Dalia Dippolito: It was for taking money, like, he explained it like, boiler room kind of, where they would take money from people …

Investigator: Oh, I understand.

Dalia Dippolito: …and put it towards things.

Investigator:  Yeah. How long have you guys been married?

Dalia Dippolito: [sigh] Not even a year.

Investigator: This is tragic. Is there anybody that you can think of that would want to do this to him?

Dalia Dippolito: I was telling the officers, we’ve problems already and…

Investigator: What sorts of…

Dalia Dippolito: …he’s been trying to get off probation and it’s been nothing but problems the whole time that he’s been trying to get off. Um, people weren’t happy that he was getting off probation because it’s a lot of money you got to pay back.

Investigator: Well, when you say people, who are you talking about? People was involved in before or…

Dalia Dippolito: A little bit of everything. This was supposed to be something, when he got off probation it was supposed to be between us and he went and he told, you know, friends of his, he told, you know, certain people. And everyone kind of talks and he’s constantly running into a lot of the guys that he was on probation with. Like, a couple days ago we ran into someone and that was, uh, a target. I mean, you know, the guy comes up to us and he’s like with organized crime. It seems like the guys from Boca are moving up here. And we’re constantly running into, you know what I mean, a lot of the guys he knows and things like that.

Investigator: Mm-hm.

Dalia Dippolito: So it’s a lot of money. It was 191,000 dollars…

Detective Anderson: [noise of suprise]

Dalia Dippolito: …he had to pay back. So we were going to go ahead and he had the money to pay off the probation and everything like that and then, I guess somehow, when he went away, some guys didn’t go away, they…

Investigator: When you say go away you mean went to prison?

Dalia Dippolito: Right. They left the country. And then somehow he was dealing with those guys because they thought that he owed them and I don’t know. Something with that that he was taking care of. So, the money he used to get off probation, he never…

Investigator: Ohhh.

Dalia Dippolito: He never, said that he did something else with that, with that money.

Investigator: Yeah, now do you know any of these people, their names, or anything like that, or where they live so we may be able to follow it up? We’re not going to, we’re not going to implicate you.

Dalia Dippolito: The guys that left, I don’t know.

Investigator: You don’t know them?

Dalia Dippolito: I don’t know them.

Investigator: You never met them?

Dalia Dippolito: No. I mean I know the guy we ran into a couple days ago. I know, I know like, certain names. You know what I mean? And I know certain names families. They were all on the news. Like the guys that all just went away…

Investigator: Mm-hm.

Dalia Dippolito: I forget what family.

Investigator: See Ronny and I and the squad, they only work major crimes. We only work murders, or homicides, and, and very serious assaults and kidnappings, and police shootings, things like. We only specialize in that. We don’t, we don’t work in anything else. So I wouldn’t know about the theft money that he may have been involved in. That’s why I’m asking if you know any names, then we can run these guys down and see what they know.

Dalia Dippolito: Well, another, those group of guys, they all went away. But he’s saying one of them, I guess somehow, he has a problem. I don’t know what problem he had, it was before we met. He ran into these guys and the guy thought he owed him something or something happened but they went away. I don’t know if the one guy I’m telling you about, pasquell, if he also went away or if he didn’t. But since this all happened like a month and a half ago they’ve all been arrested again for the same stock fraud stuff again.

Detective Anderson: That first name pasquell or last?

Dalia Dippolito: I don’t know.

Investigator: Is it pasqualli or pasquall?

Dalia Dippolito: Pasquall.

Investigator: Okay. What nationality are you? Spanish?

Dalia Dippolito: My mom is from Peru and my dad is from Egypt.

Investigator: Wow.

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah.

Investigator: There’s uh, I understand, a couple animals at your house too, right?

Dalia Dippolito: So, I guess, I want to tell you everything. The whole [cross talk]

Investigator: Please do. [Cross] Yeah, I do. I want to know.

Dalia Dippolito:  Okay, so that’s what happened with that. So, he didn’t know how to tell everybody what was going on with everything…

Investigator: Mm-hm.

Dalia Dippolito: …and so he pretty much, he told them that like, you know, I have the money and I took it and I got involved, in like a Berny Madoff kind of scheme because he didn’t know how to tell, you know, his mom and everybody what was going on.

Investigator: You’re lucky.

Dalia Dippolito: With what?

Investigator: You’re lucky you went to the gym.

Dalia Dippolito: We were supposed to go to the gym.

Investigator: Oh, both you were supposed to go?

Dalia Dippolito: He didn’t know if he was going. He just had liposuction. He had, like, two love handles removed from here. He had something little.

Investigator: Yeah.

Dalia Dippolito: And um, two weeks ago he had surgery and he had…

Investigator: What kind of surgery?

Dalia Dippolito: [inaudible]. Like, the lipo that he had.

Investigator: Oh, did he used to be real heavy or something?

Dalia Dippolito: No, he used to be then he got lipo done then the last surgeon I guess he left two bulges here. So yesterday he went because he had like, blood build up in his back.

Investigator: Oh.

Dalia Dippolito: So they drained it.

Investigator: Oh okay.

Dalia Dippolito: But he was like “well, depending on how I feel today”, but we go every morning. We haven’t gone since surgery but every morning at 5 am work out [inaudible].

Investigator: [noise of surprise]

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah.

Investigator: That’s a lot of, better than me. I wish I could go, obviously.

Dalia Dippolito: Well, you know, he’s very, um, he used to be a drug addict and…

Investigator: What was his drug of choice?

Dalia Dippolito: Crack.

Investigator: Crack? That’ll do it to you.

Dalia Dippolito: And um, he’s  recovering alcoholic so with him it’s really important to be on schedule, you know what I mean, like have a system and very organized with everything and…

Investigator: Lets, lets get back to, um, his, his death. Um, I don’t know if you know he was shot. He was shot twice. And I want you to know all this.

Detective Anderson: Do you know this?

Investigator: Did they tell you out there?

Dalia Dippolito: Not exactly. I mean, they told me he was shot. When I was at the gym I got a phone call I didn’t hear my phone ring and I called back and they told me just to please come, that something happened at me house.

Investigator: Yeah. Evidently your husband answered the door and they took him back upstairs and in the bedroom…

Dalia Dippolito: He has cameras though, why would he answer the door?

Investigator: I don’t…

Dalia Dippolito: Because doesn’t answer the door for anybody he doesn’t know.

Investigator: I have no…

Dalia Dippolito: And I mean the only person, like his probation officer is like the only, you know what I mean?

Investigator: I have no idea.

Dalia Dippolito: He would not have answered the door. We have cameras, like, at our house.

Investigator: Maybe he knows this person. I didn’t know you had cameras [cross talk] because when we got there, some of your neighbors heard the commotion.

Dalia Dippolito: We have cameras. The front door has cameras…

Investigator: Well, that’s great.

Dalia Dippolito: …the back door has cameras…

Investigator: Then…

Dalia Dippolito: …but they don’t record.

Investigator: They don’t record?

Dalia Dippolito: Nobody knows, but they don’t. We told everybody they record but they don’t record.

Investigator: Oh God.

Dalia Dippolito: Because he didn’t want them to make a hole in the garage for the recorder to be there because of his car.

Investigator: Well, when we got there the doors were wide open. When the officers got there the doors were wide open. They went in and looked, you have a, they said there was two dogs in the house like in a crate or a cage or something like that and um, uh, he was found in the bedroom. Shot twice in the head.

Dalia Dippolito: He wouldn’t open the door unless it’s somebody that he knows because [crosstalk] we don’t open for anybody.

Investigator: You have to understand, I wasn’t there, and neither was he, we have other people there so maybe it was, maybe somebody broke into the house or something, I don’t know. I haven’t been to the scene yet.

Dalia Dippolito: All of our rooms have TVs and we look specifically like to make sure nothing is happening because we’ve had drug incidences and things like that.

Detective Anderson: Was he asleep when you left?

Dalia Dippolito: No. We said, sort of but not really because of his back he was kind of like…

Investigator: Laying there?

Dalia Dippolito: … he was just laying there and he set the alarm and you know? But, I mean….

Investigator: There was no alarm…

Dalia Dippolito: … I said goodbye and you know, I’ll bring you coffee on my way home and you know, normal. Everything normal.

Investigator: There was no alarm, there was no alarm sound going off.

Dalia Dippolito: I put the, our little dogs downstairs and he stayed upstairs with the big dog.

Detective Anderson: How big is the dog?

Dalia Dippolito: It’s an English Bulldog but he doesn’t do anything…

Investigator: Would he bite somebody?

Dalia Dippolito: No. He loves everybody. I mean, he will run off with anybody he sees. The one that’s very aggressive and mean is the white one.

Investigator: It’s probably the smallest one in the house.

Dalia Dippolito: [inaudible] like, four-pound dog.

Investigator: Thinks he weighs 200 lbs right? Um…

Dalia Dippolito: I’m just trying to …

Investigator: Yeah, I’m going, I’m going, what I’m going to do right now…

Dalia Dippolito: There’s a lot that, like, I want to tell you..

Investigator: I’m going to be back but what I’m going to do is call, right now I’m going to go out and get in touch with the officers on the scene and want to see if the house has been burglarized.

Dalia Dippolito: Okay.

Investigator: Alright. Give me one second.

Dalia Dippolito: Okay.

Investigator: You want to wait here?

[Investigator and Detective Anderson exit room]

Investigator: Can you close the door please?

[door shuts]

Investigator: [heard through wall] Can somebody, can somebody call out there and see if there was, if the place was burglarized or anything? Alright.

Dalia Dippolito: [crying] Oh my God.

Investigator: [more conversation through wall, inaudible] Hey, somebody, somebody call out there and see if the place was burglarized or anything? (I’ll take care of it) [inaudible] Will you let me know? You know [inaudible] alarm system [inaudible]bedroom. Let’s just find out if that house was broken into from the front, back, how it went because she says her husband would not let anybody in that house. [inaudible] Okay. Thank you, I appreciate it.

[investigator returns]

Investigator: Go ahead and have it, drink some water. You know that I have advised you of your rights, right?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes, you have.

Investigator: Okay, the game’s over with. Okay? There’s no more games, with you and I. Now, we’re going to get down to serious business. Want to know if you know this guy.

[Investigator opens door]

Investigator: Come here. Bring this guy in here. Get over here. Get over here.

[man walks into room hand-cuffed]

Investigator: Do you know who this guy is?

Dalia Dippolito: No.

Investigator: You’ve never seen him before?

Dalia Dippolito: I’ve never seen him before. Never.

Investigator: Do you know her?

Man: [inaudible]

Detective Anderson: Put your head up and look at her.

Investigator: Put your head up.

Dalia Dippolito: I’ve never seen him.

Investigator: What were you doing coming out of her house? Get him out of here. You’re going to jail today for solicitation of murder. You’re under arrest. That’s an undercover police officer. We’ve known everything that you did, recorded everything that you did. You’re going to jail for solicitation of first degree murder of your husband.

Dalia Dippolito: I didn’t do anything.

Investigator: Did you hear what I just told you?

Dalia Dippolito: I heard what you said but I …

Investigator: Everything, listen to me, everything has been recorded. You were photographed in the convertible when you sat in his car in front of CVS. What do you want to do?

Dalia Dippolito: Oh my God.

Investigator: What do you want to do here, Dalia?

Dalia Dippolito: I didn’t do anything.

Investigator: [Inaudble] Listen to me…

Dalia Dippolito: I didn’t do anything.

Investigator: …you’re going to jail.

Dalia Dippolito: I didn’t do anything, please, I didn’t do anything.

Investigator: Tell me you didn’t do anything.

Dalia Dippolito: I didn’t do anything.

Investigator:  You’re going to jail today. As soon as I’m done…

Dalia Dippolito: Oh my God.

Investigator: …they’re going to come in here and hand cuff you and take you to the Palm Beach County Jail, book you for solicitation of first-degree murder on your husband. Your husband is well and alive.

Dalia Dippolito: Thank God.

Investigator:  Oh yeah. Thank that.

Dalia Dippolito: Can I, can I see him, please?

Investigator: You don’t want to see him.

Dalia Dippolito: I just want to see him, please.

Investigator:  He doesn’t want to see you.

Dalia Dippolito: Please.

Investigator: You better quit your playing. Listen to me…

Dalia Dippolito: Oh my God.

Investigator: I want you to quit your acting and get this over with.

Dalia Dippolito: I’m not.

Investigator: Yes you are.

Dalia Dippolito: I’m not.

Investigator:  Okay, you know what? You need a real good attorney, you need a real good attorney because we’re going to show them this film where you say you are five thousand percent sure you want him dead. You think I made that up? You think I made that up? Exactly is what’s gonna happen. I’m done talking with you. When I leave this room, no other officer will ever talk to you again. The next time we see you is when you’re in trial. And you can make it right here, or you’re going to trial and you’re going to do life in prison. You want to cooperate with us, whatever you want to do. It’s over and done once I walk out. I’m not coming back in talk to you and no one else is either. What do you want to do before I leave here? Because the next officer that comes here is going to hand cuff you and take you to the jail.

Dalia Dippolito: I want to see my husband, please.

Investigator: Nope, he doesn’t want to see you. He doesn’t want to see you. I’m leaving now. Can you have an officer come here and cuff this, the person?

Dalia Dippolito: I don’t know what’s going on, please.

Investigator: Go ahead and arrest her for solicitation of first degree murder.

Dalia Dippolito: [inaudible crying]

Officer 1: [inaudble] stand up.

Officer 2: Stand up, please.

Dalia Dippolito: Oh my God.

Officer 1: Sit back down.

Investigator: Here, stand right here. You can stay right there.

Dalia Dippolito: Oh my God!

Investigator: He’s alive!

Dalia Dippolito: Come here, please. Come here, Mike, come here. Come here. Please. Come here.

Husband: Can’t. Can’t.

Dalia Dippolito: Why can’t you? I didn’t do anything!

Investigator: I heard you!

Dalia Dippolito: Mike, come here please! Come here.

Investigator: Okay. Thanks. Take her back to booking please.

Dalia Dippolito: Oh my God.

Officer 1: Common’.

[second interview]

Investigator 2: Your first name is Dalia?

Dalia Dippolito: [nods]

Investigator 2: Okay.

Investigator 3: That how you pronounce it, Dalia?

Dalia Dippolito: [nods]

Investigator 2: Have you been advised of your rights before? That a yes? Your Miranda Rights…

Dalia Dippolito: Yes, but I wanted to make a phone call.

Investigator 3: Okay, earlier this morning. I’m Sargent [inaudible] read you your rights from that card, right, and you understood your Miranda Rights? Your 5th Amendment rights?

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah, but I wanted to make a phone call.

Investigator 3: Okay, so well, phone call. We’ll be willing to do that later, not right now though.

Dalia Dippolito: But while I’m still here?

Investigator 3: Um, yeah, later on we will. Okay? [cross talk]

Investigator 2: Now, did you understand your rights?

Dalia Dippolito: [shakes head ‘no’]

Investigator 2: You didn’t understand them?

Dalia Dippolito: I wasn’t really paying attention. [inaudible]

Investigator 2: Okay. Okay. What I’ll do is read them again. If you have any questions, just go ahead and ask me and I’ll explain them to you. Okay. You have the right to reman silent and not answer any questions, do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: [nods]

Investigator 2: I need a yes or a no.

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah.

Investigator 2: Any, any statement you make must be freely and voluntarily given. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator 2: You have the right to the presence and representation of a lawyer of your choice before you make any statements and during any questioning. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: So, when you start asking, in the middle if it starts getting uncomfortable then I can have my attorney, is that what you’re saying?

Investigator 3: It’s your right to remain silent and request a lawyer. Yes. Okay. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: [nods]

Investigator 3: Yes, right?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes. Sorry.

Investigator 2: Yes. Okay. If you can not afford a lawyer you are entitled to the presence and representation of a court appointed lawyer before you make any statements or during any questioning. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah.

Investigator 2: If at any time during our interview you do not wish to answer any questions, you’re privileged to remain silent. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator 2: I can’t make any threats or promises to induce you to make any statements, this must be of your own free will.

Dalia Dippolito: Yes.

Investigator:  Okay. Any statement can and will be used against you in court of law. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah.

Investigator 2: Have her sign here again?

Investigator 3: No.

Investigator 2: Okay. Is this your signature?

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah.

Investigator 2: Okay.

Investigator 3:  Okay. So you understand your 5th Amendment Rights, now, all of them?

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah.

Investigator 3: Okay. Um…

Dalia Dippolito: Can I go to the regular restroom, please, before we start? Is it okay?

Investigator 3: Can you… is it an emergency?

Dalia Dippolito: I didn’t feel comfortable in the other one.

Investigator 3:  Okay.

Dalia Dippolito: I’m sorry, I…

Investigator 3: No problem, no problem. She has to go to the bathroom.

Investigator 2: Okay, then we’ll come back and I’ll talk to the lawyer and….

Dalia Dippolito: Thank you.

[all exits room]

[conversation between investigators about if someone needs to be in the bathroom with her, to leave the door open, and that one investigator needs to ask the questions]

[all enters room]

Dalia Dippolito: Thank you.

Investigator 2: You’re welcome.  Alright, mind if I call you Dalia?

Dalia Dippolito: Yeah, please do.

Investigator 2:  Alright, um, you understand what happened today? What’s going on here?

Dalia Dippolito: A little.

Investigator 2: Okay.

Dalia Dippolito: Now, slowly, I’m understanding a little bit better.

Investigator 2: What’s your understanding?

Dalia Dippolito: I was told one thing and now it’s totally like all these things are, like, I don’t, I mean, I don’t really know what happened.

Investigator 3:  Do you know that you are arrested today? You’re being arrested.

Dalia Dippolito: That part I understood.

Investigator 3:  Okay. Do you know what for?

Dalia Dippolito: Not really, no.

Investigator 3: [cross talk] the charge?

Dalia Dippolito: No, nobody…

Investigator 3: Go ahead, tell her the charge, Alex.

Dalia Dippolito: [sighs]

Investigator 2: Okay. You’re being arrested for soliciting to commit murder. Okay, and which that means is, is you attempted to hire someone to kill someone else. Meaning your husband. Okay? And that’s why you’re here and that’s what you’re being charged with.

Dalia Dippolito: [inaudible] No.

Investigator 2: No, you don’t understand or…

Dalia Dippolito: No, I never done that.

Investigator 3: Well, that’s what you’re being charged with.

Dalia Dippolito: Okay.

Investigator 3: And uh, we have plenty of evidence to back it up. Okay? So, with your rights in mind, we want to give you an opportunity to do some soul searching maybe and maybe get a lot off your chest and tell us the truth. That’s what we want to hear. I mean, this has been worked for a couple days now. It’s not just the first day we’ve been doing this, in reference to this case, and we have a lot of information to support our charge.  This is not what we’d call a quick little thing. So, we know when you’re lying to us and all of that, we just want to hear the truth. I mean, it’s done, it’s over with now. You know, and uh, this is your opportunity to tell us the truth. That’s all we want to hear, and we know the truth, so. I know it’s hard to commit to that but now’s your time, you know? You have anything to say about this?

Dalia Dippolito: I want to talk to my husband.

Investigator 3: Okay, well, you can’t talk to your husband. He’s not here right now. Let him go home. He’s taking care of the house and the dogs. Um, well, obviously your husband is alive. You saw him, right?

Dalia Dippolito: I saw him. I would like to talk to him.

Investigator 3: Okay, did and you seen that black officer that was here…

Dalia Dippolito: I…

Investigator 3: … in handcuffs. Well, he’s an officer. Okay? So, it doesn’t get any clearer than that. I mean, you know? I know it’s hard but…

Investigator 2: You know, people make mistakes sometimes, you know? The good thing about this whole thing is, that nobody got killed. Alright? The gentleman that walked into the room, he said it’s an officer. Alright? It’s not the first day we’ve been working this, alright? It’s an ongoing investigation.  Where we have you talking to this guy. We’ve listened to every conversation you had. Alright? So now if you’re, you know, tell the truth and do the right thing, that’s, you know? That’s when you reach inside you and you know, “fuck we made mistakes”. You know, everybody makes mistakes. Um, but tragedy was prevented today. You could look at it that way. You know? That simple.

Investigator 3: A big tragedy. I mean, someone’s life. So. Everything is on tape, Dalia. There’s no denying it. You know? Everything’s on tape and that’s not a bluff so. Phone conversations and there’s some video, too, so.

Investigator 2: What are you thinking?

Dalia Dippolito: That I’d like to make a phone call. I just feel lost, I mean…

Investigator 3: Who do you want to call?

Dalia Dippolito: I’d like to call me mom.

Investigator 2: We’ll let you call your mom after this is done, I mean…

Dalia Dippolito: I mean I’m not, you know, I mean, everyone keeps coming and I’m signing all these things and going over all these things and I don’t really know what they’re for. I’m just signing it because everyone’s saying “well, you know, if you sign this we’ll help you” or “we’ll this” or “we’ll that” and…

Investigator 3: I don’t know about that but the only thing we, we’re concerned with is the rights card and we went over that twice.

Dalia Dippolito: [crosstalk] came and I guess that may have been for release of the tape earlier, I don’t know because he never came back and I signed something and I don’t really know what it was.

Investigator 2: Okay, well…

Dalia Dippolito: I mean, I was hysterical like when he came and…

Investigator 3: [crosstalk] I’m sorry, go ahead, Alex.

Investigator 2: And that’s understandable, okay? Our main concern right now is the fact that a crime, with, you know, you actually, you got to understand this, okay. Dalia, listen to me for a second, okay?

Dalia Dippolito: I didn’t do anything.

Investigator 2: Listen to me for a second, okay? This is not our first day, okay? It’s definitely not our second day, alright? It’s an ongoing investigation, alright? Not only do we have you on video tape, we have every conversation that you’ve had leading to this point, alright? So for you to sit here and deny. that you haven’t done anything is not going to help, alright? Cause we know the, we know the whole story from the beginning to the end to this point that we’re at right here right now, alright? Everything that you’ve done since this started, we’ve been involved in it. Do you understand that?

Dalia Dippolito: I understand what you guys are saying and I’m not trying to lie to you or anything.

Investigator 2: Okay, well, I’m just [crosstalk] I’m not making, I mean, I’m just telling you the truth. That’s the truth. Alright?

Dalia Dippolito: I just want to go home.

Investigator 2: Well, unfortunately you’re not going home. Okay? You’re looking at some serious charges here. Do you understand that you made the attempt to hire somebody to kill your husband? That’s how serious this is. Okay, you can sit here and shake your head and deny it but, I’m going to tell you right now, alright, when they, when the judge and the jury see that video tape of this conversation making a deal, alright? That’s how far you went. Alright? It not about denying it, “it wasn’t me I didn’t do anything” because the video, the audio, it’s not going to lie. And all of the evidence we collected in this evidence.

Investigator 3: You sound like a fool denying all of this because like my partner just said, everything’s on tape. Video and audio.

Dalia Dippolito: I just want to go home.

Investigator 3:  I know but you’re not going home. You see? You’re being arrested so you’re not going home.

Dalia Dippolito: What do I have to do to go home? I’d just like to go home.

Investigator 3: I know but you can’t, it’s impossible. You’re going to the Palm Beach County Jail after this. You can’t go home. You’re being arrested. This is not a game. In your mind it might be a little game but this is very serious. Murder? You kidding me? Try to have someone kill…

[tape ends]

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Jerrod Murray Interrogation Transcript

In December 2012, Generro Sanchez was murdered by another student at East Central University, Jerrod Murray. Although Sanchez lived down the hall from Murray, they only knew one another through a mutual friend. Murray asked Sanchez for a ride to a nearby Wal-Mart. Upon their arrival, Murray pulled a gun out and demanded to be driven to a town North of Ada. On a small road in the country, Murray shot Sanchez in the head as he drove. In the interrogation Murray shows no remorse and was later found not guilty by reason of insanity. The case summary can be found here.

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Jerrod Murray Interrogation Transcript

[Door opens]

Investigator: Ready? Okay Jerrod. Now, my name is Sherriff [inaudible] Palmer. And me and you met on the side of State Highway 177 and [inaudible] road at about 3:12 this morning, didn’t we?

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir.

Investigator: Okay. And at that time, you made a couple of statements to me when I put you down on the ground and then after we got up, I read your rights to you, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, you read my rights before I got up, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Before you got up off the ground.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But you did make a couple of statements…

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir, I made some statements, sir.

Investigator: Before I read you your rights without me asking you anything.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, you just, you told me you were the guy I was trying to find.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and then I read your rights to you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And those rights were – you have the right to remain silent…

Jerrod Murray: The Miranda Rights, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You have the right to talk to an attorney and have them present while being questioned.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And if you do not afford to hire one, one will be appointed to represent you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I asked you then if you wanted to talk to me.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you agreed to talk.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, at the time I said no but, didn’t I?

Investigator: No. I read your rights to you…

Jerrod Murray: But when you asked if I wished to talk to you about it…

Investigator: You said you didn’t know, and then…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s right.

Investigator: And then you said “yes, I already told you so…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: I might as well. Is that correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay. After that, during that drop do you remember what you told me after I read your Miranda warning to you?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, not word for word but the effect, yes.

Investigator: Okay. What do you remember telling me?

Jerrod Murray: uh, in summation that I’m guilty, yes.

Investigator: Of what?

Jerrod Murray: Of murder.

Investigator: And who did you murder?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Generro.

Investigator: Okay, and how did you murder him?

Jerrod Murray: With a gun. I shot him in the head, twice. Three shots were fired. One missed.

Investigator: And where did you shoot, where was this, where did this happen at?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, around five miles north of Asher, Oklahoma, on a side road.

Investigator: Do you know what that side road is called?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Do you know what’s on the corner of that side road?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, power, uh station, sir.

Investigator: Like a substation…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. [cross talk]

Investigator: Okay, and does that road go all the way through?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. It turns, uh, left.

Investigator: Okay and you have knowledge of this?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Are you from that area?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And your mom and dad’s house isn’t too far from there?

Jerrod Murray: Um, maybe a half a mile to three quarters of a mile, sir.

Investigator: Okay and can you get to your mom and dad’s house by going down that road?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, um, and you [inaudiable] shot this guy while he was driving his pickup down the road.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. And that’s basically what you told me on the side of the road.

Jerrod Murray: In summation, yes, sir.

Investigator: And in fact, we did find, we had already found the pickup and there was a body next to it in a ditch.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And that’s what we’re going to talk about now. Is that…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Are you okay with that?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So you’re agreeing to talk to me again?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Give me your full name.

Jerrod Murray: Jerrod Landreth Wayne Murray.

Investigator: And what’s your date of birth?

Jerrod Murray: July the twentieth, 1994.

Investigator: Okay, and do you live and dad?

Jerrod Murray: Hm?

Investigator: Do you stay with your mom and dad?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no.  I lived in the dormitories in college. Before then I lived with my grandparents in town.

Investigator: In town of Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay, um, what do you use for an address?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the, my parents house, yes.

Investigator: And what is that?

Jerrod Murray: Four hundred, four-zero-zero-five-five Ingram Drive. Ah, Asher, Oklahoma 78426.

Investigator: Ingram?

Jerrod Murray: Yes. I-N-G-R-A-M

Investigator: I-M-G

Jerrod Murray: I-N-G-R-A-M

Investigator: Okay, um, and so you go to school at East Central?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And is this your first year of college?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you’re a freshman at East Central.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you said you stay at some dorms?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what’s the name of your dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Pesagi Dormitory, sir.

Investigator: Can you spell that for me?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, P-E-S-A-G-I, I believe, sir.

Investigator: T-E-S-A-G-I?

Jerrod Murray: P-E-S…

Investigator: P-E-S…

Jerrod Murray: uh, A-G-I.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s in Ada.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And the young man, that you said to me you shot twice in the head…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And his name, do you know his whole name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I only know his first name.

Investigator: And his first name is what?

Jerrod Murray: Generro. I do not know how to spell that but it is with a “G”.

Investigator: Okay. And do you go to school with him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And do you stay in the same dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the same building, sir.

Investigator: Same building. And what’s your dorm number?

Jerrod Murray: 463D.

Investigator: 463B?

Jerrod Murray: D.

Investigator: D?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know his?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no. But I know it’s in “E” section.

Investigator: E section. And how do you know him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, towards the beginning of the year we met in a mutual friend’s room, uh, playing video games, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And do you take any classes with him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you know him through a mutual friend and you guys dormed in the same dorm.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Different sections.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir, but it’s literally right down the hall.

Investigator: Okay. So, you spend quite a bit of time together?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. Um, the pickup that was, he was in tonight and you was in. Was that his pickup or your pickup?

Jerrod Murray: I’m fairly sure it was his, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And you remember what kind of pickup that was?

Jerrod Murray: Um, black. [laughs] I’m sorry. I don’t…

Investigator: Okay, you don’t…

Jerrod Murray: I don’t know much about cars.

Investigator: Okay. But single cab…

Jerrod Murray: Single cab, black, uh, dent on the passenger side.

Investigator: Okay and can you go back and tell me how you guys hooked up tonight? Or [cross talk] this is actually, we’re talking right now at, we’re at almost 6 o’clock in the morning so can you go back and tell me when you guys would have gotten together?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe around [clears throat], maybe around 9 o’ clock yesterday evening.

Investigator: So, on the fifth.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, uh, maybe it was closer to ten.

Investigator: Okay. Nine to ten. And how did you guys hook up?

Jerrod Murray: I went down to his dorm room and asked if I could be given a ride to Wal-Mart in exchange for $20 gas money.

Investigator: Okay. Did he agree to that?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And did he, in fact, take you to Wal-Mart?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. We got in his pickup truck and he drove me to Wal-Mart.

Investigator: So, you’re talking about the Wal-Mart in Ada?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s a couple miles from the school?

Jerrod Murray: Uh. 2.2, ah, no, 1.7 miles, sir.

Investigator: 1.7 miles?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, so he took you to Wal-Mart…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Did you both go in?

Jerrod Murray: No, we did not go in, sir.

Investigator: And why not?

Jerrod Murray: We pulled into the parking lot and then I pulled the, um, weapon on him and demanded that he take me to Asher, Oklahoma, sir.

Investigator: Okay. And why, all of the sudden, did you decide that you needed to go to Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Because I was planning to take him out to the country and kill him.

Investigator: Okay. So, when you got him at the dorm, was your intention never to go to Wal-Mart?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You was, in fact, was you at that point, already in your mind, was going to take him and kill him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, had he done something to you that…

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So you just, can you kind of tell me, when you made this decision that you were going to take him and kill him? Why?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I made the decision three days prior to the incident. Uh, attempted to do it two days prior to the incident but he was not in his room and then did so today, as he was in his room.

Investigator: Okay, so, you been, you been, planning to do this for two days.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, two weeks, yes.

Investigator: Two weeks?

Jerrod Murray: But not with a selected individual, no.

Investigator: Okay. And when did you get to the point when you knew it was going to be him?

Jerrod Murray: That was three days prior to the incident.

Investigator: And why him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh.

Investigator: There’s other kids in college, why, why him?

Jerrod Murray: I believed he would have had the least impact, sir.

Investigator: Impact of, of what?

Jerrod Murray: I believed he didn’t have many friends or many close friends, I should rephrase. And as his [clears throat] he is going missing; his absence would be less notable.

Investigator: Okay. So, what if… tomorrow at school nobody would think anything of it.

Jerrod Murray: That was the plan, sir, yes.

Investigator: Okay, and so why did you choose to take him to Asher to kill him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, my plan was for my killing him I was going to head north towards Canada and Asher was further north than Ada. So…

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And I knew the surrounding terrain and I knew a good spot. I didn’t have that spot planned in particular. If I had planned that far ahead, I would have had a grave dug, but I knew the general area.

Investigator: Okay, so you brought him to that area because you knew that area because you were raised there.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And that’s the road you would travel going back and forth to your mom and dad’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I would travel the road further to the south of it. Just the road one south to it. That’s the road I would travel to my mother’s house from the school on my bus route, sir.

Investigator: Okay, but what I’m saying to you, you were familiar with that road…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And where it would go to…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, not much traffic on that road at this time…

Jerrod Murray: Yes sir. The only people that go on that road are people who live on that road, sir.

Investigator: Okay. You knew that.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, when you pulled the gun on him at Wal-Mart, in the parking lot…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, what did you tell him?

Jerrod Murray: I told him to take me to Asher.

Investigator: Asher. And did he say anything?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he panicked. Uh, he went to pull out his phone. I yanked the phone out of his hand and then he panicked some more. Kept telling me not to kill him. To make him feel more comfortable I unloaded the clip, unloaded the bullet from the chamber and then handed them over to him. And that eased his nerves a little. Then I pulled a second clip out of my pocket and set it on my lap.

Investigator: Okay. And you drove, so he drove you.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you have any conversation between Ada and Asher?

Jerrod Murray: The entire time was conversation, sir.

Investigator: And was it basically, could you tell me what that conversation was?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, about from Ada to halfway to Asher it was my trying to reaffirm him that I wasn’t going to kill him to calm his nerves. And then from that point on we was us talking about our upbringings, our past, our family histories, things of [inaudible] nature, etcetera etcetera.

Investigator: And, so, did he say anything when you had him pull off of the main highway onto this dirt road?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. Ah, before this time I had pulled out his phone and uh, pulled up his GPS and showed him where I [inaudible] to make him feel more comfortable, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and so when you turned west off of 177, and there’s, we already talked about this, there’s a substation there…

Jerrod Murray: Um, we didn’t pull onto that road, sir. We pulled onto the road south of it, drove past Turkey Hill Road, turned left, went to around where the [inaudible] live to make another left. Past [inaudible] Estates, went straight and then went down that road from the other direction.

Investigator: So, you came in from the west side of where the pickup is at?

Jerrod Murray: West then east, yes.

Investigator: Okay, and, so you’re headed east on what is known as Substation Road which is the road where the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Is at now.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you’re headed east and he’s driving.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You’re on the passenger side. He’s got some bullets that you gave him.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, the clip and one round, yes.

Investigator: Okay. And where was that at?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, in his left hand, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Then you had the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And… What kind of gun?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Springfield Armory XD40 Smith and Wesson 40 Caliber.

Investigator: Okay. And you had the gun and another magazine, but you didn’t have the magazine in the gun.

Jerrod Murray: I did not have the magazine in the gun. Every five to ten minutes he had me, uh, put my finger in where the clip goes to uh, show that the round, it wasn’t chambered.

Investigator: Okay. So, you’re driving East, and I guess at some point, did you decide now was the time?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what happened?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I loaded the gun, quickly, chambered the round, quickly. Shot once, missed. Shot a second time, hit. Jumped out of the car. Went around, he was driving 10-15 miles an hour, so it was rather slow, uh, ran around the front of the car. And of course, it was slower, he wasn’t purposefully driving. Uh, tried to pull him out, couldn’t get him out till he had already hit the tree. Pulled him out there, dumped him into, no. Uh, before I dumped him into the ditch, I heard him like gurgling. I’m not sure if that’s a physiological or physical process after death but uh, I had thought that he may have still lived through that somehow because he was gurgling so I shot him again and then shoved him down to the ditch. I then grabbed his phone….

Investigator: Hang up, let’s back up just a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: You, um, fired the first round…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you missed.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know where that round hit?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe it hit the top of the door, but it might have hit the window.

Investigator: Did the window bust?

Jerrod Murray: The window did bust, sir, but I don’t remember if that was the first or second round.

Investigator: Okay. So, you fired once, missed.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then you fired the second round…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you hit him then?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you hit him in the head.

Jerrod Murray: In the side of the head, yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so, it would have been his right…

Jerrod Murray: It would have been right here, sir.

Investigator: The right-hand side of his head…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Somewhere by the ear.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And he was, started veering off the road.

Jerrod Murray: To the left, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s when you got out and ran around…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you opened the door?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you tried to pull him out…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And, so when you shot, and he was still gurgling.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, was he sitting up when you shot him again?

Jerrod Murray: No. He was lying down on the ground.

Investigator: So you pulled him out of the truck…

Jerrod Murray: And just through him on the ground and then I heard him gurgling so I shot him a second time.

Investigator: And where did hit him the second time.

Jerrod Murray: I’m not certain but I believe the head as well.

Investigator: In the front, back, side?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe it was the same side as…

Investigator: Same side as before?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you think you hit him twice, or you know, you know you hit him in a fact once in the head. Then the second round is probably in the head area too.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then you rolled him down the ditch?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray:  I, uh, grabbed his phone from inside the vehicle. I was going to put it on the ground and shoot it as well, but I have a bit of night-blindness and didn’t see the steepness of the hill where it started to veer down. So, I threw it down and it slid down the hill, uh, it landed screen side down so I wasn’t able to find it’s location.

Investigator: Okay, so his phone is somewhere around his body?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, it should be. It might be underneath his body.

Investigator: Okay. And did you do something with his body after that?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes sir. I repositioned it and then I tried to cover it, uh, admittedly not well, with leaves, dirts and a stick.

Investigator: Okay, a stick?

Jerrod Murray: Yes. There was a stick on the side of the hill. I just grabbed everything on the side of the hill and uh, pushed it on top of him.

Investigator: Okay, now, when you say a stick, I, I was at the scene, I went down there and you know that…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: uh, actually brought you back down there and you sat in the car down there, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Mm-Hm.

Investigator: And there is a stick, about three-foot-long, about inch, inch and a half in diameter…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Found it by the body but there’s a whole bunch of blood on it. Is there any particular reason that stick…

Jerrod Murray: It had blood on it? Uh, it could be because I rolled his body on top of it. Because if it was on the side of the hill his body would have crossed over it. I couldn’t think of any reason in particular though.

Investigator: Okay. So, you didn’t hit him with the stick or do anything with him with the stick?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so that stick just ended up on top of him?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, it’s possible he, you rolled him over on it, and then when you were covering him up that stick just ended up on top of him?

Jerrod Murray: It ended up on top of him because the way I covered him up.

Investigator: And so, after you got the body covered up, what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I, um, headed back to the truck and tried to get it unstuck.

Investigator: So, you put it in reverse then tried to, uh…

Jerrod Murray: And then tried and tried to but it wasn’t going. So, uh, after that I…

Investigator: When you say it wasn’t going it was because it was stuck?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I believe one of the wheels was off the ground and it wasn’t making traction.

Investigator: Okay, so you couldn’t get the truck out so what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I uh, looked to the left and from the headlights I saw that I could see his orange shirt, so I covered him up better. And uh, as I was finishing that I saw the headlights of a car pulling over the hill, so I went out…

Investigator: Which way was it coming from?

Jerrod Murray: It was heading East, uh, West from the East side, so the highway. And uh, he was slowing down already so I came out as quickly as I could from behind the truck and flagged him down by waving my hands and uh, he asked what was going on. I told him that I had drowsed, dozed off, and veered off the road and couldn’t get my truck unstuck. And then he was uh, I think he, I don’t think he knew exactly what happened, but I think he knew I did something. Maybe stealing, I don’t know. Because like you said, no one travels down that road.

Investigator: Um, did you know him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir, I did not know him. But since he travels down that road he most likely lived in that area. He knew that I didn’t.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: So, most likely he, uh, was suspicious based on that fact alone because I had no business being on that road. But, uh, he agreed to give me a ride to Asher non the less. Uh, more specifically he didn’t agree to that until his phone didn’t work. We pulled up to about the highway then he dialed a number for me. Uh, I gave him a fake number so that it wouldn’t answer and if it did answer I could just make something up. Whatever number didn’t answer, it was a number that was out of service. Uh, he agreed to give me a ride to Asher so I could get my cellular phone. I don’t own a cellular phone. To uh, call someone that I knew to come get me out.

Investigator: Okay. Where did he take to in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, my grandparent’s house.

Investigator: Okay. And what is your grandparent’s name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Ethel, ah, I don’t know if it’s [inaudible] or Rodrick now.

Investigator: Okay. And [inaudible] and what? And what, do you know their address in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: 306 East Salter Street.

Investigator: Okay, and that’s where he took you to.

Jerrod Murray:  Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and you got out.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: I went into the house; I had a Coca Cola. I called a roommate from college that I had an accident and wondered if he could, uh, either get me out of the ditch or knew anyone that could get me out of the ditch.

Investigator: What’s your roommate’s name?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Shane Schroth.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Then, uh…

Investigator: Does he have a cell phone?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you know his number?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, not off the top of my head, sir. But if I had a phone, I could tell you. It’s like, uh, one…

Investigator: Hang on.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I can tell you it now. 1-405-694-0359.

Investigator: 6-9-4..

Jerrod Murray: 0-3-5-9.

Investigator: And what’s his name again?

Jerrod Murray: Shane Schroth.

Investigator: Okay, and he goes to school there?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, and he also graduated from Asher.

[inaudible cross talk]

Jerrod Murray: The class.

Investigator: What’s the year, we talked before and you didn’t actually graduate from Asher.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But you would have graduated with him.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what’s his last name?

Jerrod Murray: Schroth. S-C-H-R-O-T-H.

Investigator: Okay, and he knew you from Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And we were roommates in college because we were fairly good friends.

Investigator: So, you guys lived in the same dorm, the same room?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And, so you told him you were stuck.

Jerrod Murray: Yes. I told him I ran my car off a ditch and asked if he knew anyone that could get me out.

Investigator: Do you own a car?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Did he not know this?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he didn’t ask, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and what did he tell you?

Jerrod Murray: He, uh, he said he’d try to call his mother to see if his father could do it for me. And uh, they were asleep so there was no answer. So uh, at that point I decided I should go off on my own. I got that can of WD-40 and was going…

Investigator: Wait, wait, wait. Where did you get this can of WD-40?

Jerrod Murray: I, uh, stole it from his parents.

Investigator: Okay, lets back up just a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Because you said you were at your grandparents.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. How did you get to his parent’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, he lives on the other side of Asher. I walked.

Investigator: Okay, when you say the other side of Asher, help me out. East of Asher, West Asher, North?

Jerrod Murray: South Asher.

Investigator: South of the [inaudible] shops?

Jerrod Murray: No, it’s in the town just on the South side.

Investigator: Okay, you don’t know their address?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you walked after, I’m just trying to make, understand this, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you call him from your grandparent’s house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then he tries to call his parents?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And no answer.

Jerrod Murray: No answer, sir.

Investigator: So, you walk from your grandparent’s house….

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you walk to his mom and dad’s house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And about how far is that from your grandparent’s house?

Jerrod Murray: Not far at all. It’s, ah, maybe eight to nine blocks. I don’t know mileage for that.

Investigator: And you walk to their house.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Did you knock on the door?

Jerrod Murray: I just got the can of WD-40 and…

Investigator: And where was that at?

Jerrod Murray: Outside, sir.

Investigator: On the porch or…

Jerrod Murray: They live in a trailer house, sir. It was to the right of their entry way.

Investigator: Just sitting on the ground or…

Jerrod Murray: Sitting on top of a milk crate.

Investigator: Okay, but it was in the yard.

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Not a vehicle or nothing.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And why did you get the WD-40?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, WD-40 is a solvent. It would help degrade the, uh, oils from my fingers and uh, get rid of my fingerprints, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So, you were going to get the can of WD-40 and go back to the crime scene and use WD-40 on the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: To try to get rid of your fingerprints?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And did you do that?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. When I was on my way back, as opposed to going directly back to it I cut through a forest area there by an abandoned trailer house. And uh, as I was entering uh, the uh, general area about the crime scene I heard uh, I believe it was an elderly gentleman cough.  I’m not sure who, I’m not sure what. I just left because well, around that area the man who gave me a ride into town was an elderly gentleman. I concluded that he might have went back and the headlights and brake lights were still on. I thought he might have went back to turn them off, uh, so my battery wouldn’t die. And then he saw the, uh, at least the blood. Probably the body, it wasn’t well hidden at all.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: That’s the conclusion I reached anyways.

Investigator: Uh, so you was in the woods?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you don’t really know who it was?

Jerrod Murray: I just heard an elderly gentleman cough.

Investigator: Did you see the pickup?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So, you didn’t, so you couldn’t see the pickup…

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: And, so you were on the south side of the road in the woods?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, but you never could see the pickup again or know who was there?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so what did you do then?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I headed back East instead of South; took a different route to get out of the wooded area. Uh, ran into a barbed wire fence, jumped the barbed wire fence, headed South along another barbed wire fence I found next to the highway. Well, you couldn’t see the highway, but you could easily hear it and I could see the substation from there pretty clearly. I, uh, headed South along that, came across another barbed wire fence, jumped it, then headed to where I started out at, at that abandoned trailer house there, then walked away and headed North.

Investigator: The abandoned trailer house, is it South of the substation?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, it’s South of the substation.

Investigator:  By how far?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe a hundred yards.

Investigator: And you know what side of the road it’s on?

Jerrod Murray: Um. West side.

Investigator:  West side.

Jerrod Murray: It’s up the ways a little. It’s in a, you know how trailer houses out in the country will have driveways leading to them. So, um, I’m not sure if you can see it from the highway or not.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And the driveway is run down. I happened to know no one lives there so I figured that was a perfect vantage point to get to the crime scene again.

Investigator: Okay. So, did you get back on the highway?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And which way did you go?

Jerrod Murray: North, sir.

Investigator: What were your intentions?

Jerrod Murray: Ah.

Investigator: Walking North.

Jerrod Murray: Canada, sir.

Investigator: You were just going to Canada.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: I hoped that uh, by determining I was heading South you, went to Asher, you already know my Grandparent’s house and I was hoping that my name would probably show up somewhere over the course of this little thing, I wasn’t expecting it to be found so quickly…

Investigator: Why didn’t you expect it to be found so quickly?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I didn’t think someone would drive down that road. In my original plan, I gave myself maybe six to eight hours to get out of the area. But since it was found so quickly, at least I believed so at the time, I didn’t want to revise the plan because I had headed South originally going into town.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And uh, I hoped you guys would think that I was headed towards Mexico as it’s much closer and probably easier to get past the border.

Investigator: Okay, and so you was walking North on 177.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And what side of the road were you on?

Jerrod Murray: I was on the left right of the road, sir.

Investigator: Okay so if you’re going…

Jerrod Murray: East side.

Investigator: East side and you were walking.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And what happened then?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I had tried hitch hiking part of, most of the way because the only way this was going to work factoring in, uh, my belief that you all found the crime scene is if someone were to give me a ride there with them. Uh, however, that didn’t happen. Most people were truckers, so they didn’t, they just kept driving, they had a place to go. And then whenever your patrol car pulled up behind me, I didn’t know it was a patrol car and I stuck my thumb out and you was there for the rest.

Investigator: And that’s when I, that’s when me and you first came in contact, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you were advised then to get on the ground, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  Okay, and that’s when I had you put your hands behind your back…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then when I approached you, I asked you for my safety and for your safety if you had a gun.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you said “no”.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you remember what else you said?

Jerrod Murray: Ah. I might have mentioned the ammunition in my left pocket, sir.

Investigator: That’s right, and what else?

Jerrod Murray: Ah…. “I am the one you’re looking for”.

Investigator: And at that point I told you to be quiet…

Jerrod Murray: Uh….

Investigator: Until I got you and read your rights to you.

Jerrod Murray: Oh ah…

Investigator: Is that correct?

Jerrod Murray: I’m not sure but if you’re saying its correct…

Investigator: Well, no, do you remember that conversation when you said…?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: I said, “hang on just a second”.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, yes, sir. You did say that, yes, sir.

Investigator: So I could read your rights to you and I read your rights to you at that point.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I wasn’t aware you were telling me to be quiet, I thought you was just saying “I need to read your rights”.

Investigator: But I told you, you do remember me saying “be quiet for a second”.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, “hold on a second”.

Investigator: Hold on a second.

Jerrod Murray: Yeah, something to that affect.

Investigator: Okay, uh [inaudible] where, uh we talked about this when you told me the gun, you left the gun in the pickup.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and when we talked and I told you that, you know, you already told us about the homicide, and you told us about shooting him. The gun’s not in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was in the truck, sir.

Investigator: And, so, I need to know where that gun at.

Jerrod Murray: When I left the scene, it was still in the truck, sir.

Investigator: Was still in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was still in the truck, sir.

Investigator: Where was it at in the truck?

Jerrod Murray: It was, uh, I believe it was on the center console but it’s possible that it could have been between the driver seat and the center console.

Investigator: Okay, because the center console is pushed up, not down.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I don’t remember that.

Investigator: Well, you’re saying it’s on the center console. To be on the center console, the center console would have to be in the down position, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: The center console is up. So, was it up or down when you was there?

Jerrod Murray:  I think it was down, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So, but your intentions, can I ask you why you’d leave the gun there if you just killed somebody and you just wanted to get to Canada.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, because the man pulled up too quickly, sir.

Investigator: Okay and was that you’re gun?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, no, sir.

Investigator: And where did you get that gun from?

Jerrod Murray: I stole it two weeks ago from a man named Daniel Davis. Uh, 217 North Division Street.

Investigator: And where is Division Street?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, it’s the uh, if you’re going down 018 and…

Investigator: What, what town is it in?

Jerrod Murray: Asher [inaudible].

Investigator: And his name is David Davis?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And how did you steal it from his house?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I went into his house, uh, his family and my family are on good terms. I just walked in the door and went back to his mother’s room and told her that I had a video game to return to Daniel. Then I went into Daniel’s room, put a video game that I brought with me as a way to get into the door and got the gun.

Investigator: Okay, and so you, was it in a box or was…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. It was in a uh, case.

Investigator:  And where’s the case at?

Jerrod Murray: Still at his house, sir.

Investigator: So, you took the gun out of the case…

Jerrod Murray: I took the gun and two clips, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: I took all the clips.

Investigator: So, where’s those at? so there’s just two?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And where’s, is there ammunition in them?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. There were twelve rounds in each clip, uh, since I fired three rounds from that one clip that means there’s nine rounds in it- should be. And the uh, other clip had eleven rounds in it because one was chambered and the other round was, I unchambered it and handed it to him.

Investigator: Okay, and now when I brought you in here, we was uncuffing you, we was checking the pockets of your jackets, make sure you didn’t have any weapons in your pockets, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And I pull this can of WD-40 out of your um, right coat pocket…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And then in your left coat pocket there was a purple crown royal bag…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I took that out of your pocket.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And can you tell me what’s in here?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, some Smith and Wesson 40 Caliber rounds, sir.

Investigator: And was them part of the rounds you stole with the gun?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no sir. I bought those two or three days later off of friend of mine, sir.

Investigator: So, that many rounds?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, that plus what was in the clip, sir. So, there was twelve and twelve twenty-four plus four that’s in there.

Investigator: Okay but you said there was already, the magazines already had bullets in them.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I loaded them with the ammunition I bought, sir.

Investigator: Okay, so when you stole the gun and the magazines there was no bullets with it?

Jerrod Murray: No bullets were in it, sir.

Investigator: Okay so you, what was in the two magazines…

Jerrod Murray: Nothing, sir. Oh, as for the ammunition, yes sir.

Investigator: And what’s in here, you bought off of a friend.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator:  And do you know his name?

Jerrod Murray: Ah… Not off the top of my head, sir.

Investigator: Does he go to college?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I call him a friend but he’s just a guy.

Investigator: Okay, and where is he from?

Jerrod Murray: Ada, sir.

Investigator: And do you know how to get ahold of him?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. It’s a guy I know through a guy minus, I got the word out that I was looking for some ammunition and then…

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: A “friend of mine” sold it to me, so…

Investigator: Do you know how many rounds are in here?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no, sir. I believe there was anywhere between three and six though.

Investigator: So [inaudible] if I pull them out and there will be three to six rounds of 40 caliber rounds in there, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Your intentions with the gun, when you got out into Asher after you shot this young man, that the gun was still in the truck…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: With the magazine.

Jerrod Murray: One magazine as he was holding one of, the other magazine. I believe it fell out of the truck when I was pushing him out. He, I didn’t see it on the floorboard before I left because I was trying to gather it all up. But uh, I think he might still have it in his left hand. [cross talk] At the crime scene.

Investigator: There should have been the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: The magazine that was in the gun…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: The one round that you handed him…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And then the full magazine.

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: So, we’re talking about a total of how many rounds? You said both of them had twelve in it.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, we should have, you fired three rounds, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, there should be twenty-one rounds and two magazines there and a gun.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, Yes, sir. Plus, well, there, yes, sir. Twenty-one rounds, two magazines, and a gun.

Investigator: Okay. Also, in your pocket there was a debit card, master card, has the name Jerrod Murray. And that’s you, correct?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: This is yours?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Jerrod, I’m going to ask you to sit here for just a second and I’ll be right back, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

[Investigator exits the room]

[Investigator returns]

Investigator: Okay Jerrod. I have a couple other things [inaudible], alright?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I believe you’re being honest with me, I really do. You told me stuff that, that, that I had no qualms about what you’re telling me except for a couple things, I know for a fact you didn’t get the WD-40 from the front yard.

Jerrod Murray: You’re right. I [inaudible] keeping him out of this but I did go into his house, he did give it to me, and, and, yeah.

Investigator: And when you say him, who?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the parent of the friend that I called.

Investigator: Shane’s?

Jerrod Murray: Shane’s father, stepfather, yes.

Investigator: And do you know his name?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, Michael Norris.

Investigator: Okay, and what did you tell Michael?

Jerrod Murray: I told him about what had happened and asked for his opinion on the next course of action.

Investigator: When you said what happened, what do you mean?

Jerrod Murray: The murder. I told him about that.

Investigator: You told, you told Shane’s father about the murder you just did?

Jerrod Murray: Not the specifics but the general picture, yes.

Investigator: Do you remember what you told him?

Jerrod Murray: Not exactly. But I mean, I didn’t tell him “I fired three shots, missed one shot, in the head.” Not all that. I just said I got a truck, I killed a guy for it, it’s in a ditch.

Investigator: Okay. Did you tell him how you did it?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I don’t remember but I might’ve.

Investigator: Okay, and this is really important, and I want you to really think about this because you said you were trying to keep him out of trouble…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And I did know more than you think I know.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, I’m still at the gun.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: It’s not in the truck.

Jerrod Murray: It was when I left the scene. That was the whole point of him taking me back, sir. To get it.

Investigator: Okay, so he took you back to the scene?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no.

Investigator: Because you said you walked.

Jerrod Murray: No, ah, he drove me to the abandoned house that I spoke of.

Investigator: Okay, so Mr. Norris gave you the can of WD-40…

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: And I believe he probably got that from the bathroom of his house.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I’m not aware of where he got it but if that’s where he says then yeah.

Investigator: Okay, and, so he drove you from Asher back to

Jerrod Murray: The area of the scene.

Investigator: Just South where you would turn on Substation Road and that’s where the abandoned trailer house is on the West side.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you got out of the car and walked out through the abandoned trailer house, through the woods…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And that’s when you heard somebody cough?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Ah, there is a note wrote on a piece of paper, like a business card, on the passenger side window. Stuck on the pickup. The window’s up, and there’s a note stuck in there. Says “come to the house at the end of the road.” Did you write that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Huh?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: You didn’t write that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: You have any idea how that note could have got there?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I don’t think anything like that was there whenever I left.

Investigator: Okay. So, is it a possibility that the gentleman…?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. On our way back to Asher he had told me some thieves had stolen about a thousand dollars’ worth of guns of his and that he was looking for them and that if he found them, he would kill them dead on the side of the road. Then I said that a thousand dollars is a fair amount of money and then he said it didn’t matter if it was fifty, he doesn’t like thieves.

Investigator: Okay, um, so is it possible that he, that on his way home he could have stopped and wrote that note?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s a possibility, I won’t deny that. Like I said, I thought it might have been him who called the police. Ah, I still don’t know if it was or not, but I thought it might have been him. He went to go turn my lights off then saw the blood and then called but uh, if he did write that note then I don’t think he would have called police.

Investigator: Okay, uh, I just want to go over a couple points with you then we’re going to take another break, okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, and you started this out that, um, you’ve actually had this on your mind for about three weeks.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you just didn’t know who.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Or when. Or where. Well, I had a general idea of the area but that was picked out about a week ago, sir.

Investigator: And was that picked out because of where you were aware of your surroundings?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And so, lets go back to our victim, the young man that you killed.

Jerrod Murray: Generro.

Investigator: Um, you, basically you picked him out because you thought that you, nobody would miss him, if I understood what you…

Jerrod Murray: In general, yes, sir.

Investigator: And you told me on the way you guys talked from Ada to Asher about your upbringings…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Was your upbringing any different than his?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: What was the difference between your upbringing and his?

Jerrod Murray: Nothing major, I mean, we didn’t talk on the topic of upbringings for very long. He just said that he was, uh, always fat and overweight and was made fun of for it so he had confidence issues and then I said that I never, well, I had that problem but that problem stopped in about the fifth grade, so.

Investigator: And why did that stop?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, the bullies that picked on me, I beat them up.

Investigator: Okay, and that was in Asher?

Jerrod Murray: Yes.

Investigator: Okay, so the bullies, you beat them up, not because you just wanted to beat them up but because they were making fun of you?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, to stop them from making fun of me, yes.

Investigator: Okay, I can understand that. Um, let me, have you done any other thing that’s been violent?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes, sir. The mutual friend that I talked about that I know him through, his name is Wyatt Freeman. He lives across the hall from me. I don’t know his room number. It’s directly across the hall though. Uh, maybe a month, a month and a half ago at college… we hung out almost every night, played video games, it was all fun and games, you know. Uh, I was talking to him and then the talk of [inaudible] was brought up and then he said if I got you in a choke hold you would tap out. I said I’m not going to tap out and then he got me in a choke hold and I was knocked unconscious and when I woke up everyone in the room was laughing at me and then he said that there was no way I was knocked unconscious in that short of a time and then I punched him in the face and then he pushed me away and told me to get out of his room and I spat in his face and left his room. And then he came to my room, and had a flashlight I had dropped out of my pocket and was holding it and said “this is your flash light”. I went to reach for it, he pulled me into the hallway, and was going to beat me for it. Then, I told him let them beat me and whenever they come to break it up, I would be the one with all the injuries and it would be his fault.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: And then the uh, East Central University police responded to that.

Investigator: Okay, and his first name is what?

Jerrod Murray: Wyatt.

Investigator: Wyatt.

Jerrod Murray: I’m not quite sure how to spell that. Freedman is his last.

Investigator: Okay, um, Jerrod, I want to ask you again just point blank because you sat here and confessed to…

Jerrod Murray: Pretty much everything.

Investigator: In my mind, I think you might agree with me, just cold blooded killed him that night, or last night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever killed anybody else?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever thought of it?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, more myself than anyone else, sir.

Investigator: Okay, and when was the last time you thought about killing yourself?

Jerrod Murray: Three weeks ago, sir.

Investigator: And what was going on three weeks ago?

Jerrod Murray: Nothing in particular. Um, my grandfather died recently but that’s not related to it. Before his death I had similar thoughts as recently.

Investigator: Your grandfather, is that the same grandfather that you caught a ride to back to his house tonight or a different one?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. My grandparent’s house. He lived there with my grandmother. Yes.

Investigator: Okay, so your grandfather’s dead so your grandmother lives by herself?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, she had a friend over but yeah.

Investigator: Okay. Uh, okay. Let me ask you this, Jerrod. Are you taking any medications for any mental illness?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Do you take drugs?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Have you ever taken drugs?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I smoked marijuana in my mid to early teenage years.

Investigator: When was the last time you smoked marijuana?

Jerrod Murray: Maybe six years ago, maybe five.

Investigator: Never done any other type of drug?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Um, not on any medicatoin.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. Just an albuteral inhalor for asthma.

Investigator:  You do have asthma.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Um, so, um, when you, lets go back three weeks ago when you started planning that you were going to kill somebody.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And you just didn’t know who or when.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: What made last night the time and who. I kind of understand who.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, as I stated earlier, uh, it wasn’t neccissarily last night. I made the decision to do it and who three days ago and I tried. No, maybe two…. Tuesday. I made the decision, Tuesday. This whole saying days ago because it’s a different day than it was yesterday, uh, it was Tuesday that I made the decision  it should be him. He wasn’t in his dorm, I didn’t try again, no. Maybe I did try again the day after. I can’t remember the days anymore. It was Tuesday I made up my mind, though. I knew who it was and tried that night.

Investigator: Okay, and I guess I’m having a hard time understanding what you got out of it. Can you kind of, can you help me?

Jerrod Murray: I don’t really get anything out of it.

Investigator: But I mean why, if you weren’t going to get something, self graditude, something, why did you do it, I guess is what I’m asking.

Jerrod Murray: If I’m pressed to answer I’ll say it’s to prove the strength of my resolve but that is only if I’m pressed to answer.

Investigator: I’m not pressing you. I’m just trying to understand.

Jerrod Murray: Then I don’t know why.

Investigator: Okay, so it just…

Jerrod Murray: Popped in my head.

Investigator: Popped in your head and you…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay but it ever popped in your head before?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, not an appeal, sir.

Investigator: That you, that you, you never killed before?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, animals?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I’ve never hunted. I know how to hunt. I know how to make a bow and arrow. I know how to field dress animals and but not but I’ve never hunted before, no.

Investigator: Okay, now when we were talking before you indicated to me you did not graduate from Asher.

Jerrod Murray: No, sir. I flunked out.

Investigator: Okay, so when you say “flunked out” was that because you just couldn’t do it or you just…

Jerrod Murray: I didn’t want to do homework. The teachers at the school as well as all facitly amitted I was the smartest person there. They knew I could do the work. I didn’t see the point of doing it if they already know and everyone knows I could do it.

Investigator: That was my next question because it don’t make sense sombody who flunked out of school would be at East Central.

Jerrod Murray: Ah, that summer, I’ve been going to [inaudible] Upward Bound for math and science, uh, since maybe three years ago. Uh,

Investigator: And was you doing Upward Bound at East Central?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, that’s uh…

Investigator: Do they have it in…

Jerrod Murray: They have both Upward Bound math and science, obviously.

Investigator: [cross talk]  also do the same thing but I don’t think you can get math and science at [inaudible] state [inaudible].

Jerrod Murray: Yeah. It’s upper math, yeah.

Investigator: Okay. So you’ve been going East Central Upward Bound?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, yes. For three years, yes, sir. And um…

Investigator: What kind of grades are you making in college right now?

Jerrod Murray: I believe I’ve failed everything besides choices and wellness, sir.

Investigator: Is, are you failing everything by choice?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And why is that?

Jerrod Murray: Mm, laziness I would suppose, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: Didn’t feel like going to classes. I mean, if I was already up in the Central area to eat a meal I would go to classes because it’s not that I have a problem going to classes. It’s to the dorms to the central area; I was too lazy to travel that distance.

Investigator: Not because you couldn’t do the work.

Jerrod Murray: Not because I couldn’t do the work. I was passing most my classes before then.

Investigator: And what were your ambitions or dreams to be?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I had hoped to become a chemist for the Department of Defense.

Investigator: Okay. Kind of hard to do in Canada.

Jerrod Murray: [laughs]

Investigator: Wouldn’t you agree?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And, I’m going to ask you this and you can answer if you want. I’m just, I’m having a hard time.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Do you feel any remorse?

Jerrod Murray: I’m sad that I got caught so quickly but that’s almost lessened by being caught by someone with “sheriff” on their jacket but for killing him? No.

Investigator: Okay, so it makes you feel better that it was somebody that had “sheriff” on their jacket who arrested you?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: As opposed to what?

Jerrod Murray: A deputy or someone like that, sir.

Investigator: Okay, well, I’m not the sheriff.

Jerrod Murray: I’m aware of that.

Investigator: I’m the under sheriff.

Jerrod Murray: The person driving me up here told me that but still, that’s…

Investigator: So it makes you feel better that you got caught by somebody up in rank opposed to somebody under…

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: But my question again is, do you have any remorse?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Alright. Give me a minute, okay?

[Investigator exits room]

[background conversation in another room]

[Investigator returns]

Investigator: {inaudible] okay?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. Ah, my left thumb has been numb since we got to the crime scene.

Investigator: Do what?

Jerrod Murray: My left thumb has been numb since we got to the crime scene.

Investigator: How come?

Jerrod Murray: I don’t know. I figured when the cuffs came off feelings would return to it but in this area it’s still numb.

Investigator: Ah, you probably just need to work it.

Jerrod Murray: Well, I have been.

Investigator: Rub it. You ever been cuffed before?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So aint never been in any trouble?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: So if I run a record on you I’m not going to find anything on you?

Jerrod Murray: You might find that assault from a couple months ago but that would be it.

Investigator: That’s when you and that other guy got into it?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: About the choke hold.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, I take it since you go to college you have a computer, correct?

Jerrod Murray: I have a laptop, sir.

Investigator: And it’s probably at your dorm?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. Um, and I know we’ve talked about this, kind of in general, you didn’t know who it was going to be?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Or when it was going to be but you kind of knew where.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Then you tried this Tuesday night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And he wasn’t there, he was home. This is now Friday morning so this was Thursday night.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: And when I talked to you, something about “was there going to be others”…

Jerrod Murray: I…

Investigator: And you made the statement earlier that you was happy that you got caught by somebody in the rank and stature of the Sheriff’s office.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: So, you understand I’m going to do my job thorough.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I understand that completely.

Investigator: And that means I’m going to end up getting a search warrant of your computer.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir. I understand that.

Investigator: So, if there is, I want this, searching your computer are we’re going to find any ideals of wanting to do a mass shooting in a school?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Or you was going to kill anybody else?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay, why do you want me to believe that this was going to be a one time thing since you planned this for three weeks, and by Tuesday night you knew who and when but it failed?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Tell me why I should believe you this was just going to be one person who was going to suffer from your consequences of killing?

Jerrod Murray: You have no reason to believe me, sir.

Investigator: Oh, I believe but so, but you’re trying to tell me you were just going to do it one time and that was going to be the end of it?

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Okay. So I’m not going to find anything on your computer that’s going to be or when I go to college when myself and this team from the DA’s office goes to the campus and we go and talk to everybody that you’re associated with at the dorms, uh, nobody’s going to tell us “well he’s talked about a school shooting or killing people”?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: I’m not going to find that?

Jerrod Murray: No, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

Jerrod Murray: That said, I have been asked by people, including at Asher, if I was a murderer or if I planned on it but I’ve never planned on it since three weeks ago and I’ve never killed anyone so the answer has always been “no”. I’m not sure if it was jokingly or seriously, that said.

Investigator: Okay. I guess I’m just having a real hard time understanding why. Why him?

Jerrod Murray: Well, if it was a random person there could be the possiblity he had children or something of that nature. Uh, if it was someone else up there they’d have a lot more friends or a lot more social, so…

Investigator: So… [inaudible] by his quota status of not having very many friends or being social, it was a good victim.

Jerrod Murray: His presence would be less noticed, yes.

Investigator: Okay.

[Investigator stands to exit]

Jerrod Murray: That said, he did have a girlfriend and some friends.

Investigator: Yeah. You don’t think his girlfriend would have missed him?

Jerrod Murray: Ah, I wasn’t aware of his girlfriend up until tonight, sir.

Investigator: Oh. So he told you before you killed him?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, no. The entire way down there uh, I had the phone at Wal-Mart, so the entire way down there she was texting him so I was texting what he told me to text back.

[Investigator sits back down]

Investigator: So this was a conversation between his girlfriend and actually you, but you was texting what he…

Jerrod Murray: Word for word, yes.

Investigator: Okay. You don’t think she’s going to be upset, heartbroken?

Jerrod Murray: I think she will be.

Investigator: How does that make you feel?

Jerrod Murray: No different, sir.

Investigator: Okay.

[Investigator exits room]

[Investigator enters room]

Investigator: Do one more thing for me.

Jerrod Murray: Yes, sir.

Investigator: Just the history deal with you, fill that form out for me.

Jerrod Murray: Uh…

Investigator: Just your name, address, city, phone number, stuff like that.

Jerrod Murray: Alright.

Investigator: Just [inaudible]

[Investigator exits room]

[Investigator enters room]

Investigator: Common’ big guy.

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I’ve got some questions about this paperwork.

Investigator: About what?

Jerrod Murray: Uh, I didn’t know what to put under investigator, date, armed, hair color or the bottom line.

Investigator: Okay, that’s no big deal. I’ll fill that in.

Jerrod Murray: Well, I didn’t even know if that was hair color, I thought it might be hair length, both. I don’t know.

Investigator: Okay, that’s good. I just needed general information on name and all that anyway.

[investigator and Jerrod exit room after Jerrod pushes chair back under table]

Investigator: Common, through here.

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Bryan Greenwell Interrogation Transcript

On May 13, 2016,  Bryan Greenwell (also known as Brian Greenwall) shot and killed Jennifer Cain and critically wounded Derrell Wilson. Greenwell’s fiancé Jodie Cecil was there when the crime happened in a Shelby Park apartment. The living victim, Wilson, was crucial in the investigation. When police showed the couple an interview where Wilson implicates them in the crime while he is in poor condition in the hospital, they both admit their involvement. A summary of the case can be found here.  

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Bryan Greenwell Interrogation Transcript

[door slams]

Investigator: Hey Bryan, what’s happenin’ man?

Bryan Greenwell:  What’s happenin’?

Investigator: My name is detective Royce, [inaudible]. Sorry it took me a little while to get over here..

Bryan Greenwell: [inaudible]

Investigator: Talking to Jodie.

Bryan Greenwell: Jodie?

Investigator: Mm-hm.

Bryan Greenwell: How she been doing?

Investigator: She’s a little upset.

Bryan Greenwell: About what?

Investigator: Well, that’s what we’re here to talk about. She’s a little upset, um… I want to tell you that she, I’m trying to remember her exact words but it was more along the lines of “I don’t want to tell him, I don’t want him to be scared, and uh, to talk to us.” Anything else along that. “Cause I want to, I want to go talk to him”, I said “I can’t let you do that, I may be able to let you do a recorded statement or write a note but”

Bryan Greenwell: So she wrote one down?

Investigator: I have a recording. Also, I have another recording that I would like you to review as well but I can’t ask you any questions yet because you’re in custody for something else. I don’t know. I know it’s some kind of dope charge, I know you did some stuff there. So before I actually ask you anything, tell you or show you anything, I have to read you your rights. You’ve had those read before, correct?

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: You’ve never had your rights read?!

Bryan Greenwell: No. I mean, when I was younger, yeah.

Investigator: Alright so you know what I’m talking about.

Bryan Greenwell:  I know what you’re talking about, yeah.

Investigator: Well, I’m going to go through this, and I brought a picture of your kiddos. [places photo of children on table in front of Greenwell] I gave her a picture of them, too. Alright before we ask you any questions you must understand your rights. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court of law. Right to talk to a lawyer prior to questioning or making any statements. Have them present with you while being questioned. Can’t afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed by the court to represent you before any questions if you desire one. You may stop the questioning or making statements at any time by refusing to answer further or requesting to consult with an attorney prior to continuing questioning or making statements. Those are your rights. And the second part of this form is just a waiver of your rights and basically says that “I read the statement of rights or had them read to me. I understand what my rights are and I’m willing to make a statement and answer some questions. I don’t want a lawyer at this time and I understand what I am doing. No promises or threats have been made, no pressure or coercion of any kind. You understand what coercion means, correct? [Greenwell nods] Okay, um. And I’m guessing you might have an idea what [Greenwell shakes head “no”] You don’t have an idea of what you might want to talk to me about?

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: Or what I want to talk to you about? Okay. And it has to do with the apartment you guys used to live at over on Shelby Street.

Bryan Greenwell: Oh, well, yeah….

Investigator: Does that ring a bell? That incident?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: What do you know about that incident?

Bryan Greenwell: As far as I know, that was supposed to been us, as far as my understanding. Just the guy, Terry Payne [spelling?] that uh, he was supposed to send somebody over to talk to us or something like that. I don’t know, ‘cause they said, well I know the guy too you know, they said something like that. And I’m not even sure if it’s him, you know what I’m sayin’? I’m just going off of what I’ve heard. That he got ripped off for some dope a few times. He got upset about it and the only reason why he wouldn’t come confront her by herself was because of me. Well, she never ripped him off for no dope anyways. It wasn’t her, it was

Investigator: So this was geared towards Jodie, is what you’re telling me?

Bryan Greenwell: Yes. And as far as I know somebody was supposed to send some people from Chicago, some black dudes. Said it’s not about the money now, it’s not about the dope, it’s about the principle. And he, Terry Payne [spelling?] told me this, and I told him I said “you better go back and tell them [inaudible] got no principle [inaudible] it seems like I’m just fucking around with my fiancée and it pulls me, you know what I’m saying? I’m involved. And he said “sorry, too late [inaudible], the call’s been made and that uh, people from .. what’d he say? New Orleans or something like that, up in luisiana up here looking for her. That’s when I noticed we started getting followed. And I’m like “hold up, you know maybe this shit is true”. I’ve been thinking it’s all, you know how people talkin’ just trying to scare somebody. And I kept noticing people following me and kept noticing people following me. And I’m like “hold the fuck up” you know? So I made a phone call and was like “dude, what the fucks going on?” He said “man” he said “I told you I would try to go talk to them”. I said “dude, you already [inaudible] tried to go talk to them and for the past, I don’t know, month and a half, something like that, everytime I walked out the door I was being followed”. And for the life of me, nobody believed me. And I mean, I told everybody. I said “man, somebody is following us. Somebody is following me or somebody is following you. Somebody.” Then I got locked up.

Investigator: What happened with that, a little.

Bryan Greenwell: That [cross talk]

Investigator: I’m not the dope police [cross talk]

Bryan Greenwell: I mean not one time did nobody ever say “police”, nobody said, I mean the whole time I told everybody I was being followed. I mean, I had people run up on me, I’d take off. Nobody said “cops” you know? So I don’t know if it’s the cops or if it was them or whoever, whatever. You know what I’m saying?  I’m like “shit”, so I done what I do. What I know best- protect myself and get the hell out of that situation for a moment. But that situation it was same thing. Two cars whipped up on me, then once I took off, yeah, he hit his lights. I’m like “I got a set of [inaudible] lights, which I do. You know what I’m saying? I got a flashlight that turns. You know what I’m saying? You click it one time and it starts flashing, you know what I mean, red, white, red, blue, them lights. You know what I’m saying? So I’m like “no one’s ever said ‘stop, police, this is the local, feds” whoever. You know what I’m saying?  So I didn’t stop. Even when we got back to the house we were staying at, not one time did anybody say “police”, “this is the police”, the whoever, blah blah. They just told me to get the fuck down or they would blow my damn brains out. I’m like “well uh” there’s a chance I got to take. Either they’re the police, and then once they started all coming up on me I noticed it was the police because all the equipment and shit like that. And I was like “well, maybe this is the cops” so I got down.

Investigator: Who all did you get arrested with that night?

Bryan Greenwell: Me, Jodie, Lala, and Chris.

Investigator: Does Lala have a real name? Everybody keeps saying Lala. Cause I’m not the dope police, I’m just curious

Bryan Greenwell: It’s uh, Laura. It’s Laura. I don’t know her last name.

Investigator: And it really doesn’t matter for me. I’m just curious because everyone says “Lala” and I’m like, “last time someone was named ‘LaLa’ was on a kids T.V. show” [laughter] Alright. Let me take you back to that apartment on Shelby. How long did ya’ll stay there?

Bryan Greenwell: Man, I can’t, I just got out of jail. I don’t know if she had that before I went in, or before right before I got out, or what. I think I was only there a couple weeks, maybe? Something like that. Maybe a little longer. I know it was like between two, two weeks. Two to three weeks. Something like that.

Investigator: And you guys never went back to that apartment?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, we went back.

Investigator: You did?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah. We went back and got some of our stuff. I mean, we’ve seen the landlord and nothing was ever said.  We’ve seen cops sitting there and nothing was ever said to us. And I was thinking “well, this aint got nothing to do with us, I hope”

Investigator: Did you know those neighbors [inaudible]? Ya’ll never, You ever seen them before?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, we’ve seen them in passing.

Investigator: If I showed you a picture of them, would you know who they are?

Bryan Greenwell: Pretty sure I would be.

Investigator: [shows photos]

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, yeah, that was her. Now the guy?

Investigator: Now this is a little older picture. I think he had probably just got done [inaudible]. His hair may have been a lot longer.

Bryan Greenwell: Hm, yeah. If you put long hair on him it looks like him.

Investigator: So you all didn’t have any interaction with them?

Bryan Greenwell: Nah, other than I mean, passing in the hallways or, it was just, I think it was what? One, two, two  [crosstalk] yeah. Because it was the front room, it was like a little storage or something like that. The back room was supposedly where he stored all his stuff for, I guess, the strip clubs that he owned or something. I don’t know.

Investigator: Mm-Hm. It was strip clubs, you’re right. Alright, um, what do you actually know about what happened over there? What have you heard? What do you know?

Bryan Greenwell: I just heard that somebody got shot, somebody got killed or something like that. Then we stayed away for a couple days because that’s when I found out that supposedly they were there for her, and us, you know what I’m saying? It was supposed to be us. I was like, you know, um, we made the decision to stay away for a couple of days because hell, somebody wanted to talk to her they, the landlord knew her phone number, her cell phone number, knew her name, everything else. Nobody ever tried to contact us. At least, as far as I know, nobody ever tried to contact us. Which I mean the house, the apartment wasn’t even, it was her apartment, wasn’t in my name, or nothing like that.

Investigator: Right. Alright. Did you know that there were two victims there? Did you know that?

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: Both of those two people I showed you.

Bryan Greenwell: No, they told me it was just the.. uh.. lady.

Investigator: Well, both of them were shot. And uh, this is what I want to show you.

[Investigator moves laptop over to Greenwell and moves his chair closer]

Investigator: He didn’t die.

Voice on recording: Do you remember, do you know your neighbors next door? [inaudible] Did you know who they were? If I showed you pictures of your neighbors would you know who they were? Where your neighbors involved in any of this? You recognize her? That Jodie? Your Neighbor?

Investigator: So. That’s just the start of it but

Bryan Greenwell: Okay, well lets finish it.

Investigator: No, I got a, I got a couple follow ups here.

Bryan Greenwell: Okay.

Investigator: When I showed Jodie this, she lost it.

Bryan Greenwell: She lost it like?

Investigator: Bawling crying, broke down.

Bryan Greenwell: Let me guess, said that we done it.

Investigator: She did.

Bryan Greenwell: Well.

Investigator: And before you know, I am going to tell her the same thing I told her, I said “ya’ll have some important things in front of you.” I said, “bad things happen to good people. Sometimes people get put into situations and shit didn’t go as planned.” Um, I believe that’s what happened here. I don’t think there was malicious intent going in. I think things escalated and went bad. I told her I wanted to help her try to get to the good side of this and to not paint her into a negative light on it. And I said, I told her, I said I will give you that same opportunity and tell you the same things that I have told you both the exact same things. And that’s how I want to present it. I don’t bullshit people, I’ll tell you what I’ve got. I mean…

Bryan Greenwell: Fair enough.

Investigator: I mean, I got a living victim that puts you there. I’ve got Jodie who says you were there. Now I want to hear from you, what in the world happened. Like I said, I think something went wrong, I don’t think you got there on

Bryan Greenwell: I want to hear the rest of it. What Jodie had to say.

Investigator: What Jodie had to say? I don’t have Jodie on video.

Bryan Greenwell: I thought you said you had her on

Investigator: I have it on an audio recording. I just did it. I don’t have it on a disk yet. I still have it on an actual recorder.

Bryan Greenwell: Can I hear it?

Investigator: Let me see if I can do that. I don’t even know if I can do that. It’s on this recorder that’s in my pocket right now. The same one I have on right now.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, lets find out if we can do that because, I mean…

Investigator: Is that going to change..

Bryan Greenwell: Nah man, I want to

[cross talk]

Investigator: I’m not going to play it word for word for you so you can hear her story.

Bryan Greenwell: No no no.

Investigator: I’ve been doing this a little longer than that.

Bryan Greenwell: I don’t I don’t expect you to do that either but I would like to know what she’s saying.

Investigator: I can give you the, I can give you the details of, I guess the general of what she’s said. Is that, and he goes on to say that, they were involved in a domestic situation. Then apparently, he may have been getting the best of her, and she came over for help. You guys go back to their apartment, it happened inside their apartment, you guys intervened on the good side of this to start with, trying to help her out. And things went bad from there. Does that sound, is that a fair statement of how things may have occurred?

Bryan Greenwell: No. I mean.

Investigator: It’s not.

Bryan Greenwell: I had no. Yeah, I know these people. I don’t know them personally. You know what I’m saying? I know them from that apartment. And yes, we did go over there. But, that’s it. I mean hell, if you finger print the place you can find my fingerprints on a couple things because where I walked in the room. I kind of picked some stuff up, you know, because it was laying everywhere so I was like [noises from cuffs on table while he demonstrates moving stuff over] I mean, other than that.

Investigator: Alright. I know right now you’re trying to figure out where to go with this. Because I don’t want you to start digging yourself a hole.

Bryan Greenwell:  I know what you want me to do is to commit, you know, say

Investigator: Oh, I don’t need you to, I don’t need you to. I got, you know, I’ve got Jodie’s statement. I have enough to walk out of this room right now. What I’m trying to do is try to give you an opportunity to do the same thing she just did which is go at it with the angle “we were trying to help and things just went bad”.  That’s a whole lot better then just not making a statement and me just going off him. I mean, you think I put a guy who’s paralyzed from the neck down on a ventilator with an interview like this up to twelve people on a jury that they’re not going to sympathize with him instead of you? I’ll take that all day long, twice on Sunday.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, you know [cross talk] I’m looking at it too, I’m like “yeah as it stands right now, I mean, regardless of what I say right now, I’m fucked in this situation.

Investigator: And I’m trying to say there’s a little bit of an out right here to make it better on you to not make it look like… I don’t believe you’re a cold blooded killer. You know? I don’t believe that at all. Nothing suggests that to me. I think you’re a smart guy that got involved with a situation you probably shouldn’t have. Not saying that you shouldn’t help somebody out but I’m saying shit went bad real quick. And I don’t think anybody should be judged on one thing alone, there should be a whole series of events that happened here that get to basically where we are right now. And I just want you to think about a lot of different things. And I know I’ve thrown a lot at you at one time, you know. And I, I, and I can’t say I understand where you’re at right now because I haven’t been there but I can sympathize with you.

Bryan Greenwell: I do this everytime.

Investigator: What do you mean you do this everytime.

Bryan Greenwell: I always try to protect everybody. You get that recorder off for a minute so I can ask you a question?

Investigator: This? Yeah. [shuts laptop]

Bryan Greenwell: And the one in there.

[turns off recorder in pocket and shows Greenwell]

Bryan Greenwell: Nothing else recording, right?

Investigator: I don’t know about this room, this is the corrections room so I would have to say, well, I don’t know.

Bryan Greenwell: What happens if I go with, I mean ‘cause I know the story here, you know what I’m saying? I know the whole thing, what happened

[electronic beep]

Bryan Greenwell: What was that?

Investigator: I’m guessing I just got an email ‘cause this is my actual work computer.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, look, how do I get Jodie off of all of this?

Investigator: I mean, I think, I think she’s the least copiable of anything that happened. You know, I think she was just there. Um, and what he says and what she says really jive in line with the support, they support each other in their statements. Um, but I mean honestly it’s just going through the story, and I think I know the story. If I tell you the story, would it sound anything like what I started it off as. A domestic thing that you guys got involved in, you end up in a fight, with them with a gun and it goes off, and I can’t tell you any more than that because, you know.  By any chance, does that seem like a story that, of what may have happened?

Bryan Greenwell: Yep.

Investigator: You see, we can work with that because the beginning part of it. Because there’s a big difference between you going in and saying “I’m going to f*** kill somebody” and you going in “I’m trying to help somebody” and then shit goes bad. There’s, That’s way different things there that we’re talking about. And one’s a whole lot better than the other. I mean, the end result was that people lost their lives, yes. But it’s a whole lot different when it comes to juries, when talking about charges. You know, those types of things. It’s a night and day situation.

Bryan Greenwell: I would say. Yeah. Like you say, ya’ll would paint me out to be the fucking, wow. I mean, as it stands right now, which is those two saying that shit, you all got enough to convict me on anything.

Investigator: And that’s what I’m saying. I’m not going to bullshit you. I told you that. I got enough right now, I could walk out of the room but that’s not what I want to do because I believe in getting everybody a fair shot at this. Minimum is 18 years. You know, I don’t bullshit when I talk to people. I don’t play that whole mind game or running in circles and we talk for six hours. That’s how you run a guy.  I tell you what I got, I tell you how good, I’m not going to lie if I got something that’s weak. I’m gonna be like “Hey, this is what I got, here’s your chances, fifty fifty.” This is not a fifty fifty chance kinda thing right here, I tell you that.

Bryan Greenwell: No it’s a “screwed me all the way around”

Investigator: That’s why I’m trying to give you, I want you to see how I’m trying to let you get out in front of it. Tell your part of the story on it.

Bryan Greenwell: Is there anyway I could smoke a cigarette?

Investigator: I think we could probably make that happen. We let everybody, everybody else smoke one in the basement. When we come back, finish up the story? I think we could do that. Sit back for a minute. See what we could do for you.

Bryan Greenwell: Uh, regardless of what happens you all can’t … nevermind.

Investigator: [inaudible] I think I know what you’re trying to get out and [inaudible] you don’t want anything to happen to Jodie on this. Does that sound about right?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: I really think that’s going to depend on a lot about what we talk about, what you tell me on this. I think we can minimize her involvement

Bryan Greenwell: [inaudible]

Investigator: Well, I mean like, she is there. I mean, have you ever heard of about, uh, doing a bank robbery.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: You’re the robber, you go in and rob the store. I’m just the driver. We both get in a car chase and get caught down the way. What charge do I get?

Bryan Greenwell: Accessory

Investigator: What charge do you get? It’s a robbery.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: I mean, she’s there with you. So she is a complicit, she’s complicit in this. And not including that, there’s nothing done on her behalf to help, or stay, or call or anything. So that’s her little bit of a problem but her involvement is minimal.

Bryan Greenwell: Its, she did try to.

Investigator: What did she try to do?

Bryan Greenwell: Tried to help.

Investigator: After they were shot? What did she try to do? I mean, this helps her.

Bryan Greenwell: We’ll talk, we’ll talk about it all here in a second. Let me calm down.

Investigator: Okay. Okay. I’ll give you some time, you know, get your stuff in order. See if I can set up that cigarette.

Bryan Greenwell: I appreciate it, thanks.

Investigator: Alright.

[Investigator opens door and talking with someone else]

Bryan Greenwell: A glass of water or somethin’, [inaudible]

Investigator: Yeah.

[Investigator returns to room]

Investigator: Alright, we’re gonna,

Bryan Greenwell: Hey, is Jodie still down there?

Investigator: No, they already took her back to CCC.

Other person: Is there like a count or something they need to do at a certain time or something? I don’t know.

Investigator: We’re going to go, soon as he comes back here, we’re going to go down, downstairs. We’re not going to talk about anything we talked about in here. Just going to be for you to smoke, get your thoughts together, okay? then we’ll come back in here and talk some more, some questions.

[Investigator and Greenwell leave room- brief conversation with other person]

[Investigator and Greenwell return]

investigator: Shoot it to me, I want to hear it. You know, I’ve talked to some other people, I know it’s been bothering you. Everybody has said that you have been acting different. It’s really been bothering you. So it’s been noticeable to other people. Take that weight off, throw it on me. Get it off your shoulders, man.

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, ya’ll aren’t going to try to hit me with no fucking death penalty or nothing

Investigator: No, there’s no aggravated circumstances.

Bryan Greenwell: Well, try to get this done as quick as possible. Cause I’ll be honest with ya, I can’t sit in that jail.

Investigator: I understand.

Bryan Greenwell: Jodie didn’t have nothing to do with it. She did try to get help for her, I mean I even did try but … She comes over there and says he’s over there beatin’ on her. So we walked over there. We didn’t even walk in the apartment at first. I was like, you know, “what’s going on?” Jodie didn’t even go over there at first. She was like “you go over there and see what”. Said “yeah”. Dude was over there throwing shit, breaking shit, cussing her. All three of us were standing outside, even the girl was standing outside, you know what I’m saying, and I was like “look, just leave or come over here, something”, you know what I’m saying, “or I’m gonna call the cops”. She went back inside and he grabbed ahold of her or something like that. Jodie was like, you know, “you gotta help her”. Cause I guess her [inaudible] or something like that. So I walked in there and I separated them and this and that. That’s when, to be honest with you, I don’t even, I can’t even remember how the gun came into play, for real. Well, we started, kinda wrestling around and the gun went off. And then it went off again.

Investigator: How many times do you think it went off?

Bryan Greenwell: Honestly man, I don’t even know. I mean, I was… blacked out or something like that. I don’t know. Man, it’s like… I’m guessing two or three times, three. Something like that. I remember hearing three gunshots.

Investigator: Do you remember which one you shot first?

Bryan Greenwell: No, honestly. I don’t. [inaudible] I freaked out. And I was like “man, what the fuck. I came over here to help somebody this shit happens.” I think… I know it went off once. I think she got hit first, I’m not for sure. I mean [inaudible] was still struggling and it went off again. I do remember that. And that’s when he fell on the bed. And I didn’t, I mean, I didn’t know what to do. I mean, I went over there, like you said, there was no intentions of going over there [inaudible] malice intended or nothing like that, you know?

Investigator: You remember about what time, I know this happened Friday the 13th, is when we were there and it was later in the afternoon when we got there. When do you think this might have happened? Was it on that Friday? If I’m not mistaken she was supposed to start that new job on Friday at noon, does that sound right? Do you know that? Jodie knew that, that’s why

Bryan Greenwell: I don’t know.

Investigator: Okay.

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, after it was all done and everything I might have heard Jodie say something she was supposed to start a job today or something like that. It was like “what the fuck man, now what am I supposed to do?” You know, we were both like that, like “what do we do?” Neither one of us knew what to do. She was like “listen, call the cops” cause like you said we went over there with the intentions of helping not hurting somebody, you know? And she never, Jodie never, was near that apartment, what-so-ever, as far as I know of.

Investigator: She told me that she did. She didn’t go into the room that you guys were in which is the back bedroom. But she said she made it into part of it. You said she tried to help them afterwards, so

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, she was like

Investigator: I mean, it doesn’t matter to me. If she came in [inaudible] If she came in it’s fine. That doesn’t get you in trouble that makes you a normal human being that wants to come in and maybe try to help.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, I mean, we was both you know saying, she was like saying, well actually I was [inaudible] standing there then turned around and looked at her at the door and I was like “what do I do?” You know what I’m saying? I didn’t know. And I still, to this day, I still can’t tell you exactly, from start to finish, what happened, you know what I’m saying? I just know that I was the one standing in the room when both of them were laying there. Jordie was like “[inaudible] are they still breathing” whatever, you know what I’m saying. I was like “I don’t know?” I mean what, what, I mean, how do you check if somebody is [cross talk]

Investigator: Never been in that situation before.

Bryan Greenwell: And I do know that, I’m not for sure if the landlord called or if Jodie called the landlord or what, I’m not for sure, but I do remember hearing her say the landlord called or the landlord’s wife or something like that saying about you [inaudible] the cops [inaudible] dope from them or something. [inaudible] look like we went in there to rob them or something which wasn’t the case. Nothing was took, nothing like that. And I was like man, I didn’t know what to do. You know what I mean? I still don’t know what to do. I mean, I don’t know

Investigator: What happened with the gun? What did you do with the gun?

Bryan Greenwell: Destroyed it. Melted it down.

Investigator: Melted it down? How did you do that? That takes a lot of heat.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, I know. Well, actually the gun didn’t get melted down it got took apart and [inaudible] got melted down. And I was like, “man, I don’t know” and I gave the gun back to the person that owned it. You know what I’m saying? He just let me borrow it. And I can’t tell you his name because I don’t want to get him…

Investigator: So did you destroy it or did you give it back to the guy?

Bryan Greenwell: No, I took it apart Most of the gun went back.

Investigator: I mean, don’t bullshit me. I mean, it’s not, this is not a, that’s not a big issue there. My big thing honestly is, well, yeah I would like to recover it but I just want to make sure you didn’t just toss it somewhere and some kid got to it, that’s more what I’m worried about.

Bryan Greenwell: No No I made sure, yeah, I made sure there wasn’t no kid or no innocent bystander or nothing like that was gonna [inaudible] pick it up.

Investigator: What model was it? I know what caliber it was, at this point, wondering what model it was.

Bryan Greenwell: A Taurus, I think. Or… uh, yeah I think it was a Taurus. Pretty sure it was a Taurus.

Investigator: And you know, I know it was a 40, you know. I’m just curious.

Bryan Greenwell: I mean, to be honest with you I tried blocking it out but…

Investigator: You can’t block something like that out, man. And if you try to it’s eventually going to come back out and it’s going to eat and eat and eat. I mean, I can tell how upset you are

Bryan Greenwell: [inaudible cry] I never meant for none of this to happen. I mean, I don’t know what else to say besides that it was me.

Investigator: Is there anybody else there with you guys?

Bryan Greenwell: [shakes head “no”]

Investigator: Nobody else, okay. Did you have the gun on you when you first went over there? Was this a “I went back over there and got it” or did you have it on you when you first went over there?

Bryan Greenwell: Nah, I had it on me because the situation that fuckin’ everybody was saying that people was out looking for [inaudible] and this and that [inaudible] so I kept it on me. Just for her protection. I wasn’t going to …

Investigator: I understand. Did you, you said you didn’t take anything from the scene at all.

Bryan Greenwell: No.

Investigator: No. Did ya’ll leave anything by any chance? Lose anything?

Bryan Greenwell: I don’t, honestly I don’t know. I mean, I didn’t even try fuckin’ finding the shells that came out of the gun. I was just like, you know, I was dumbfounded, pretty much.

Investigator: And I know you didn’t, this happened in the back bedroom, where they fighting in the back bedroom and you got into the middle of it or did, you know, did you and him get into a fight in the back bedroom? I just want to be clear about it.

Bryan Greenwell: Well they was fighting. Worse than, we was all standing outside in the hallway..

Investigator: And we’re talking about physical fighting, not arguing

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah, we’re talking about physical fighting. And I was like, you know, that’s when Jodie said “you gotta help her”. That’s when I went in there and everything just happened so fast that … you know the rest. I mean, she did try to help them. I didn’t know what to do to help, I mean, I freaked out. I still freak out.

Investigator: Well, I tell you what. This whole thing, this whole situation, I mean it sucks, I mean I was right. Was I not right from the minute I went in here on the way things went down?

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: And I still believe bad shit happens to good people all the time but this series of events doesn’t paint you out to be a cold calculated “I don’t give a fuck” killer. I mean, shit happened, yeah. There’s nothing we can do about that now. But the way that we presented it as you coming over to help, and correct me if I’m wrong, would you see there’s a big difference between somebody who doesn’t give a fuck and coming over there and shooting people opposed to somebody who is there for a purpose and I can confirm that purpose because there was a domestic fight going on, and you go over there and shit goes bad.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah.

Investigator: There’s a big difference there.

Bryan Greenwell: Yeah. There’s a bid difference. I mean, I should have went with my gut and just stayed out of it. But I’m not that type of person. If I see somebody needs help, I try to help.

Investigator: I’m going to let you take this picture with you, too. I don’t know if you have any with your kids with you. Because I think, because I think the way we talked here tonight, that getting to see them is going to come a whole lot sooner than if would have been if you told me “I’m not talking to you, get out of the room”. I mean, I could have happened either way, and [inaudible] that’s why I really.. That’s what I was really worried about. That you wouldn’t understand how important of a chance I was trying to give you to get out. You were in a hole. And you’re still in a hole. It’s definitely not as deep as it was with your story out there. And it goes a long way with prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges and jurors. So we got to look at its a bump in your road. That bump was sitting back at your back side, you hadn’t crossed it yet.  Now we’re across it. Now we are going to figure out from here where to go and you’re going to get your life back on track. Does that sound like a good plan, here?

Bryan Greenwell: That’s not what I wanted.

Investigator: No? Nothing but future in front of you now. Don’t get me wrong. We’re going to take a little bit of it here, but it aint all of it. And what you do with the rest of it, is up to you.

Bryan Greenwell: I’ll never see daylight again.

Investigator: See people I’ve talked to heard you say that and I disagree with that. You have to remember where we are. We’re [inaudible] tend to be more lenient, more liberal here.

Bryan Greenwell: I hope so.

Investigator: And you’ve done yourself big time favors here. You’ve done the best you can for yourself with the situation you’re in. I’m going to go out here and talk to the corrections people and make sure they know about everything. Any questions you have for me right now? You have anything? Alright. Sit tight. We’ll be back here in a few minutes.